Henry Nowak…….an absolute tragedy.

MissAdventure 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I can’t watch the repeating footage of the incident as it causes tears.Most of us on here are Mothers and probably grandparents too and can envisage that awful scene all too well.

I'm able to feel a multitude of emotions about Henry's death, and I do.

I also think it shouldn't be swept under a convnient carpet of things we must not talk about.
Or, as i have said, some people would be under a misapprehension about what truly happens.

Until it is official, we are all speculating.

Cold hard rage is fine if you don't incite others who may turn that into violence as Farage has done.
Indeed so.

Luckygirl3

*Cold hard rage is fine if you don't incite others who may turn that into violence as Farage has done.*
Indeed so.

Indeed.

Plevey08

You've gotta admit she's driving people to it!

No “she” isn’t and I find your comments extremely rude and completely unnecessary!

Plevey08

Oh yeah you're in most of her threads Tulip. That makes sense. Talking about respect... it's a two way street. The constant spouting of the the gross Farage reform party and his bunch of sexist, racist, violent and embezzling creeps is just tooo much! We all may have political views and choices of who we support. But they are often personal, or if shared then it's done in a respectful way and certainly not forced on everyone else. She barely reads posts but constantly responds inaccurately. And certainly spoils the tone and respect of the subject of this post. So no I don't feel shame, I feel exasperated and fed up with the ill thought out aggressive Farage drivel.

Perhaps you need to take a little time out and whilst you’re there read the “rules” which apply to all of us Gransnetters.

Please stop attacking individual posters, it’s bullying, rude, ignorant and disrespectful.

We often have quite heated and passionate debates here, especially in the N&P section. We rarely make personal attacks against other posters.

Luckygirl3

*Cold hard rage is fine if you don't incite others who may turn that into violence as Farage has done.*
Indeed so.

I believe Nigel Farage actually said pure cold rage not ‘hard’ and did not intentionally incite anyone.

The definition of cold rage is a highly controlled suppressed form of intense anger, instead of a loud explosive outburst, it manifests as calm, detached and calculated.

Not that the ‘rent a crowd’ thugs would have understood that

Agree.

MissAdventure

Pure, cold rage.
Exactly how I feel.
Not because of farage.
Not because I'm some sort of knuckle headed, knuckle dragging idiot that needs inciting.

They're perfectly natural feelings about a deep injustice, as I see it.
Nobody likes injustice: current and ongoing threads on here are proof enough of that, I'd have thought.

Summed up perfectly.

I don't feel rage, I feel terrible sorrow.

And how must the family feel with their terrible sorrow

Being used by Farage and a mob for political purposes!!!!!

I can't even begin to fathom how terrible tjey must feel, no doubt exacerbated by a disregard for their plea to keep things peaceful.

Ordinary people disgussng it, ensuring that falsehoods aren't passed off as truth, I don't see as adding to their grief.
Henry's isn't a name that must never be spoken of again.

I take your ordinary people discussing it thing trying to understand, come to terms with it, decide for themselves.

but its been seized and used with ffs Vance from the USA

"JD Vance has claimed the “invasion of migrants” in Europe is to blame for the murder of Henry Nowak in Southampton"

fanning flames of discord and division, using this family, we are bound to discuss this too. But rage never adds anything but more sorrow in the end.

That's truly disgusting.
It stands as it is is.
A racist and unpleasant jibe at migrants, via the death of a young man, and entirely disregarding what that young man's family would want, and have requested.

I've no interest at all in dicussing those types of comments.

MissAdventure

I can't even begin to fathom how terrible tjey must feel, no doubt exacerbated by a disregard for their plea to keep things peaceful.

Ordinary people disgussng it, ensuring that falsehoods aren't passed off as truth, I don't see as adding to their grief.
Henry's isn't a name that must never be spoken of again.

Exactly! Falsehoods must not be passed off as truth. Henry's last few minutes should not have been as they were and there is no doubt that a gross mistake was made. I don't think anybody has denied that. What we don't know is what was going through the police officers' minds. There is an ongoing enquiry and, hopefully, the truth will come out. Why did that officer not believe Henry? Whatever people like to think, they just don't know. Meanwhile, two falsely accused people have had threats and have been forced into hiding. 11 police officers and a dog have been injured. Property has been damaged. Just what has any of that achieved? Let's wait for the truth and not spread falsehoods!

Oh, yes, Farage, you were right about one thing. I feel rage - rage at the idiots who want to divide society and make things even worse - all because it suits you to destroy society, so you can step into the vacuum.

MissAdventure

That's truly disgusting.
It stands as it is is.
A racist and unpleasant jibe at migrants, via the death of a young man, and entirely disregarding what that young man's family would want, and have requested.

I've no interest at all in dicussing those types of comments.

Unfortunately, there are those who do have an interest. The Pandora's Box has been opened.

The murder of this young man is utterly appalling. The police were called and given the information that an assault had occurred. They had a call which is on record from the brother of the murderer sounding very upset and in need of police help. The police turn up in the belief that a racist attack had occurred. It was dark and blood wasn’t evident despite the poor lad telling them he had been stabbed and he couldn’t breath. Unbelievably he is handcuffed instead of receiving medical help. The police made a tragic mistake but the reason was based on the lies of the murderer and his brother aided by the mother removing the knife. This wasn’t two tier policing it was a terrible mistake. Farage steps in with his incitement to a riot and all hell breaks loose. This despite the family asking that their heartbreak was not to be escalated into further trouble. That poor family needed support and they got Farage and his racist and divisive words.

As i posred earlier, the ex chief of police in the met said that their job is to asesss, reaasess, reassess and reassess.
As standard first aid instructs, you would go to the person who is quiet in a situation where you aren't sure what's going on, because they are most likely to be the ones in need of help.

Lemonjam

LemonJam

surfsup
Lemonjam

No Hate Crime Conviction: Minnesota prosecutors, including Attorney General Keith Ellison, publicly stated that there was no explicit or overt statement of motive to prove Chauvin committed a hateful crime driven by racial bias
Surfsup- There is clear evidence of Chauvin's repeated pattern of behaviour, ie. his use of excessive force against black men- see some detail in post above.

Of course you believe you know better than the attorney general.

Back to suiting your own bias again.

surfsup

Lemonjam

LemonJam

surfsup
Lemonjam

No Hate Crime Conviction: Minnesota prosecutors, including Attorney General Keith Ellison, publicly stated that there was no explicit or overt statement of motive to prove Chauvin committed a hateful crime driven by racial bias
Surfsup- There is clear evidence of Chauvin's repeated pattern of behaviour, ie. his use of excessive force against black men- see some detail in post above.

Of course you believe you know better than the attorney general.

Back to suiting your own bias again.

I note you have not quoted my whole post....

sundowngirl

Luckygirl3

Cold hard rage is fine if you don't incite others who may turn that into violence as Farage has done.
Indeed so.

I believe Nigel Farage actually said pure cold rage not ‘hard’ and did not intentionally incite anyone.

The definition of cold rage is a highly controlled suppressed form of intense anger, instead of a loud explosive outburst, it manifests as calm, detached and calculated.

Not that the ‘rent a crowd’ thugs would have understood that

It seems to be misquoted everywhere, sometimes as hard cold rage or white cold rage.
Pure cold rage means exactly what you say sundowngirl.

petra

MissAdventure

Pure, cold rage.
Exactly how I feel.
Not because of farage.
Not because I'm some sort of knuckle headed, knuckle dragging idiot that needs inciting.

They're perfectly natural feelings about a deep injustice, as I see it.
Nobody likes injustice: current and ongoing threads on here are proof enough of that, I'd have thought.

Summed up perfectly.

It sure is 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Lovetopaint037

The murder of this young man is utterly appalling. The police were called and given the information that an assault had occurred. They had a call which is on record from the brother of the murderer sounding very upset and in need of police help. The police turn up in the belief that a racist attack had occurred. It was dark and blood wasn’t evident despite the poor lad telling them he had been stabbed and he couldn’t breath. Unbelievably he is handcuffed instead of receiving medical help. The police made a tragic mistake but the reason was based on the lies of the murderer and his brother aided by the mother removing the knife. This wasn’t two tier policing it was a terrible mistake. Farage steps in with his incitement to a riot and all hell breaks loose. This despite the family asking that their heartbreak was not to be escalated into further trouble. That poor family needed support and they got Farage and his racist and divisive words.

Yes Exactly what happened!

The lying murderous young man, who
Just happened to be a Sikh, caused Henry’s death and through his lies managed to make his last few hours on this earth even more appalling than they might have been.

surfsup

Lemonjam

LemonJam

surfsup
Lemonjam

No Hate Crime Conviction: Minnesota prosecutors, including Attorney General Keith Ellison, publicly stated that there was no explicit or overt statement of motive to prove Chauvin committed a hateful crime driven by racial bias
Surfsup- There is clear evidence of Chauvin's repeated pattern of behaviour, ie. his use of excessive force against black men- see some detail in post above.

Of course you believe you know better than the attorney general.

Back to suiting your own bias again.

I stand by my previous comments and fact in full rather than just the couple of sentences you have extracted to support your erroneous statement my facts are biased:

There was no overt or explicit statement made by the Attorney General or prosecutors of motive in George Floyd's trial to prove Chauvin's committed Floyd's murder because of racial bias that is because the murder trial did not focus or gather any evidence about motive so such a statement could not be made The trial in fact focussed solely and entirely on Chauvin's actions and whether they met the legal standard for murder which they did. That is the trial focus specifically on on his brutal, excessive use of force which was found proved.

However, in context of his motivation and whether he was in fact racially biased, following the trial, the State and Federal investigations into the Minneapolis Police Department. A statement was then made and concluded that Chauvin operated within a department that exhibited widespread, systemic racial bias. As set out in DOJ finding on Police Culture 2023, and 2022 State Investigation by Minnesota Department of Human Rights.



You seemingly do not accept the evidence of Chauvin's pattern of racially motivated misconduct history and the pattern of his behaviour. Or at least you have chosen not to comment on the fact that Chauvin had 15 previous misconduct findings against him prior to Floyd's death e.g. involving his racial bias and racial misconduct. Some of his racially biassed misconduct attracted significant financial settlements e.g. the City of Minneapolis reached a nearly $ 9 million settlement regarding 2 lawsuits brought against Chauvin by 2 Black residents who accused him of excessive force and racial misconduct in 2017

You seek to deny there is irrefutable evidence of Chauvin's repeated pattern of racial bias and associated racial misconduct also of his history of using excessive force against black men. There is no evidence of similar behaviour against white persons he has arrested. But you wish to ignore this evidence to suit your narrative.

You stated the Attorney General Keith Ellison, publicly stated that there was no explicit or overt statement of motive to prove Chauvin committed a hateful crime driven by racial bias" Your bias seemingly leads you to believe the *lack of an explicit or overt statement is evidence that Chauvin was not racially biased. You seemingly have not applied any critical thinking to why such a statement was not made at murder trial stage.

So be it.

Oreo

sundowngirl

Luckygirl3

Cold hard rage is fine if you don't incite others who may turn that into violence as Farage has done.
Indeed so.

I believe Nigel Farage actually said pure cold rage not ‘hard’ and did not intentionally incite anyone.

The definition of cold rage is a highly controlled suppressed form of intense anger, instead of a loud explosive outburst, it manifests as calm, detached and calculated.

Not that the ‘rent a crowd’ thugs would have understood that

It seems to be misquoted everywhere, sometimes as hard cold rage or white cold rage.
Pure cold rage means exactly what you say sundowngirl.

What does pure cold rage mean in the context of Digwa murdering Henry?