Makerfield: Reform candidate sexist?

How about those people who are pro choice, but then state "But not if its used as a form of contraception"?

Of course it’s not right for any health care professional to advocate for abortion. And of course women should never feel pressured to have an abortion - that in itself is a perversion of the fundamental principle of a woman’s right to choose. What is awful is the reality of bringing up a disabled child ( whatever the level of disability) in a society which does not choose to provide appropriate support for both parents and children. There will be a large overlap in a Venn diagram between the very politicians who are anti- abortion and those who rail against disability benefits and the proper funding of social care.

MissAdventure

How about those people who are pro choice, but then state "But not if its used as a form of contraception"?

I've never found that a convincing argument, and I'm of the opinion (which I acknowledge is subjective) that 'pro-choice' means just that - it might involve a choice that doesn't necessarily sit easy.

What data exists suggests that women who have had more than one abortion are in the older age group and, often, already parents; such 'repeats' can be for medical reasons, contraceptive-failure, as well as for economic reasons.

How many women, realistically, recklessly choose surgical intervention over a daily contraceptive pill, I wonder?

Of course the suggestion by a certain (male) individual that women choose it so that they "can shag a lot" (or whatever phraseology he chose) says more about him I believe than it does about the women having a repeat abortion. But it gains traction.

I'd also like to say that I, for one, didn't take the stance of supporting a woman's right to choose casually, disregarding the ethics involved... I too, feel emotional about abortion - such emotions/feelings are not necessarily the sole preserve of the anti-abortionists.

MissAdventure

Yes, Johnson is what i mean.
Unfortunately I've a lot of nerve damage in my dominant hand, so i assume people will have to make allowances for my awful spelling and writing ability.
Most do.

Why do you assume posters here know about your medical condition ?

I honestly couldn't care a flying fart whether they know or not, if I may be perfectly frank.

butterandjam

MissAdventure

Yes, Johnson is what i mean.
Unfortunately I've a lot of nerve damage in my dominant hand, so i assume people will have to make allowances for my awful spelling and writing ability.
Most do.

Why do you assume posters here know about your medical condition ?

A number of posters do know because she's been on Gnet for a few years and probably also has contacts with other posters through PMs.

But that is actually irrelevant.

It's generally understood on the forums that it is not acceptable to question posters' spelling or grammar because they may have difficulties which we don't know about.

It may be OK to politely query an ambiguous spelling but anything other than that is not good.

Oreo

No matter what anyone on this thread thinks, it’s up to the people of Makerfield constituency to choose their MP and the party he/she represents.

They already did, and their democratically elected MP Josh Simons dumped them.

If I was a voter in Makerfield I'd be furious at his dismissal of his constituency for an opportunist like Burnham.

If you lived there and you read Carol Vorderman’s powerful letter to female constituents, you would be a lot less likely to vote for Reform than you might have been too.

Perhaps the Greens will surge to an unexpected victory.

What a nasty unkind negative and unnecessary post to Miss Adventure, butterandjam,

MissAdventure

Yes, Johnson is what i mean.

The human brain is a very clever thing - it can make sense of mis-spelling - even a whole paragraph of jumbled words. The phenomenon is known as "Typoglycemia" and is perfectly illustrated here...

t Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."

I think we all knew who you were referring to, it matters not.

I love that phenomenon and no matter how many times I see examples it still tickles me that I can indeed read it at normal speed with absolutely no problem at all 😄

Dickens

MissAdventure

Yes, Johnson is what i mean.

The human brain is a very clever thing - it can make sense of mis-spelling - even a whole paragraph of jumbled words. The phenomenon is known as "Typoglycemia" and is perfectly illustrated here...

t Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."

I think we all knew who you were referring to, it matters not.

I'm sorry, but this is a meme which has no basis in scientific research.

It was circulated in 2003. A rebuttal by a Cambridge scientist from the Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit was published later.

This text circulated on the internet in September 2003. I first became aware of it when a journalist contacted a my colleague Sian Miller on 16th September, trying to track down the original source. It's been passed on many times, and in the way of most internet memes has mutated along the way. It struck me as interesting - especially when I received a version that mentioned Cambridge University! I work at Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit, in Cambridge, UK, a Medical Research Council unit that includes a large group investigating how the brain processes language. If there's a new piece of research on reading that's been conducted in Cambridge, I thought I should have heard of it before...

The whole article needs to be read to understand what makes it seem convincing and what actual research says.

www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/people/matt-davis/cmabridge/

I am intrigued to find that someone has been sufficiently convinced by the original meme to have come up with a scientific sounding name for it. Can you cite its source, Dickens or shall I go back to AI?

Interesting MaizieD and yes the 3 sentences lower down the page did get harder and I couldn't manage them at normal speed, a couple of words took a few seconds to decipher. Thanks for the link. It's still fun to do with the easier passages.

MaizieD

... yes, it's an internet meme... which I posted once before on GN - to save someone's embarrassed blushes.

The point of posting it again was to defend someone who had been unnecessarily 'scolded' IMO, which I thought would be obvious by the tone of my post.

I bet you can read the paragraph though!

Every time this thread pops up all I can think now is sexist or not, he's going to win. Isn't he? Disagreements with optimistic reasons will be welcome.

I don't think he will win but clearly it's going to be close. Might depend on tactical voting.

It's a feeling backed by knowing one of the campaigners for the LP based in Manchester and his report.

Still time for things to happen either way, however.

Yes a week is a long time in politics as we know. Interesting to have some links back stage so to speak.

Dickens

MaizieD

... yes, it's an internet meme... which I posted once before on GN - to save someone's embarrassed blushes.

The point of posting it again was to defend someone who had been unnecessarily 'scolded' IMO, which I thought would be obvious by the tone of my post.

I bet you can read the paragraph though!

I'm sorry, but that meme is like a red rag to a bull for me. I spent many hours debunking it when it first appeared and was being used as support for a truly damaging method of teaching reading! I was working with the victims of that method at the time and was fired up by how adversely it affected their self esteem and their ability to access education and the adult world.

It would feed into the current thread about white working class males if I could face the aggro...

Yes, of course I can read it. Any skilled reader who can work out very simple anagrams can read that particular passage.

(I do appreciate your blush saving motive )

I have seen that paragraph before, but I'm not sure why posting it is a problem.

Back to the original purpose of the Thread, I now wonder if the shocking riots in Belfast could make people more wary of who they vote for.
Sorry, I have no back up for this. Just a thought that came to mind.

It's an interesting thought Maremia. The rapid spread of footage shows how social media is pivotal in enabling far- right agitators to mobilise internationally- amplified by Musk et al.

There is a trend of trigger evens where something horrifying happens which is then attached to an existing narrative being pushed on the right with mass migration pushed as the reason e.g. by Farage. Then Restore goes one step further with Rupert Lowe (supported by Musk) seeking to out flank Farage by posting "Reform politicians let this monster into our country, an apparent reference to the 2 former Conservative minsters who lead on immigration- Suella Braverman and Robert Jenryk.

Will this make posters in Makerfield more wary? We will find out next week.......

Tuliptree

Every time this thread pops up all I can think now is sexist or not, he's going to win. Isn't he? Disagreements with optimistic reasons will be welcome.

Inclined to agree.

I watched the clip linked in the OP - he apologised with that facial expression individuals adopt when-they-want-to-be-taken-seriously, or even incredibly seriously; possibly even extremely seriously. I'm minded of that old ITV talent-contest programme host who used to adjust his face to announce, "and I mean that most sincerely folks"...

The mood is such that I think he'll be forgiven for having been a bit of a lad, I suspect some won't even think there's anything to forgive.

Current polling is sparse, but it seems to be thought that it's tight, with Burnham slightly in the lead.

I do wonder if the Belfast episode will drive more voters to Restore, with Lowe suggesting a return to capital punishment.

Maremia

I have seen that paragraph before, but I'm not sure why posting it is a problem.

MazieD has explained - it's her bête noire . Many of us have one (or more) I suspect. Mine is those who correct other poster's spelling or grammar mistakes.

I'm still trying to process the shocking violence in Belfast, we've seen angry mobs outside or near hotels housing immigrants before, but this is on a different level. Men in balaclavas torching immigrant's homes - a nurse being chased into the hospital where she worked?

This is being encouraged by Musk, too.

posters' LOL!