He has done it! The toolmakers son has resigned!

I am.not being condescending I simply think that those who vote reform or call Starmer two tier keir are able to form their own views in the same way as those who support Starmer. Both groups will have different influences that's all. It isn't just about trans for me, although that issue means I don't trust many institutions and political parties, but thats almost not the point. I didnt actually leave the labour party over the gender debate ( although I probably should have) I left over another issue.
I didn't say you were an idiot, what I said was that those who support Starmer are the same as those who don't, in that they will be influenced by the media and the social media they consume.
I will say again I want the media to hold the government to account, I think it was actually the guardian who did a lot of the initial digging on the mandelsson/epstein links and I am grateful to them, I would have been grateful to The Mail if they had been responsible.
Starmer failed partly due to an authoritarian approach in some matters ( and let's face it many of us including me supported that authoritarian approach when it suited us) and because he didn't appear to have a guiding vision, people hating the Tories just wasn't enough.

What a double dealing traiter Andy cap Burnham is. Not been a mp while lording it up north thinks him and his gang are the cats whiskers (sorry Larry ) and can walk in no.10 cos he wants to..not a backbone to be seen among all them Labour mp's
Never voted Labour or was keen on sir kier but what a bloody cheek.
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MayBee70

Mark Carney on Starmer; "It has been a privilege to work alongside Sir Keir Starmer as he has led international efforts to support Ukraine through the Coalition of the Willing, strengthen NATO, improve Arctic cooperation, and deepen the historic partnership between Canada and the United Kingdom.
Throughout, and in the face of exceptional challenges, Keir has acted with principle, determination, and collaboration. The world is safer and allies are more united because of his efforts.
Keir, thank you for your lifetime of public service. I am grateful for your friendship, and I wish you all the best as you concentrate on your "most important job.”
—Keir has a great working relationship with Carney, Macron, Schulz and Zelensky...relationships that he has built up over time. This at a time when international unity is paramount . Imo

I agree. He’s more respected in some countries than he is in his own.

I wish him well

jomo

What a double dealing traiter Andy cap Burnham is. Not been a mp while lording it up north thinks him and his gang are the cats whiskers (sorry Larry ) and can walk in no.10 cos he wants to..not a backbone to be seen among all them Labour mp's
Never voted Labour or was keen on sir kier but what a bloody cheek.
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I did, and will again, vote Labour. But I think you really have a point!

Thank you Maybee and Doodledog

Galaxy

I am.not being condescending I simply think that those who vote reform or call Starmer two tier keir are able to form their own views in the same way as those who support Starmer. Both groups will have different influences that's all. It isn't just about trans for me, although that issue means I don't trust many institutions and political parties, but thats almost not the point. I didnt actually leave the labour party over the gender debate ( although I probably should have) I left over another issue.
I didn't say you were an idiot, what I said was that those who support Starmer are the same as those who don't, in that they will be influenced by the media and the social media they consume.
I will say again I want the media to hold the government to account, I think it was actually the guardian who did a lot of the initial digging on the mandelsson/epstein links and I am grateful to them, I would have been grateful to The Mail if they had been responsible.
Starmer failed partly due to an authoritarian approach in some matters ( and let's face it many of us including me supported that authoritarian approach when it suited us) and because he didn't appear to have a guiding vision, people hating the Tories just wasn't enough.

I don’t mean this in a condescending or patronising way, but many of us form our politic views based on critical thinking, facts, life experience, research and history.

If I only used the media instead of the above I’d probably be leaning towards Reform, for some reason he seems to get more media coverage than most other UK party leaders put together. It’s almost subliminal!

NotSpaghetti

Thank you Maybee and Doodledog

For the thoughtful pieces earlier.

Brilliant post @ 19.56.10, Doodledog. I wish more posts were of that calibre.

NotSpaghetti

NotSpaghetti

Thank you Maybee and Doodledog

For the thoughtful pieces earlier.

You’re welcome …

Doodledog, I also second your post @ 18.07.09.

valdali

Shabti100

But he himself said his father is a tool maker! How is the title anything but the truth?

It's not untrue. Just disrespectful.

How would you like it if at an event that that was important to you, you were introduced as "the tool-maker's daughter / the plumbers daughter / the vet's daughter or whatever?

Chances are you'd prefer your given name.

How can it be disrespectful? Starmer was proud, he says, of his father’s job. That’s why he constantly spoke of it!

My late Dad was a painter and decorator and a gardener as a weekend job and I was really proud of him for working 6 days a week to provide for us.

Some very sensitive souls on here!

KS has done the right thing by resigning now, instead of a bitter battle which he would have lost anyway.
I expect he will leave politics after AB takes over and resume being a lawyer which will suit him better.
I just hope we get a better Chancellor as well.I do feel more hopeful now for Labour.

Primrose53

valdali

Shabti100

But he himself said his father is a tool maker! How is the title anything but the truth?

It's not untrue. Just disrespectful.

How would you like it if at an event that that was important to you, you were introduced as "the tool-maker's daughter / the plumbers daughter / the vet's daughter or whatever?

Chances are you'd prefer your given name.

How can it be disrespectful? Starmer was proud, he says, of his father’s job. That’s why he constantly spoke of it!

My late Dad was a painter and decorator and a gardener as a weekend job and I was really proud of him for working 6 days a week to provide for us.

Some very sensitive souls on here!

Because the people that say it intend it as a joke, an insult. Don’t insult my intelligence by saying that they don’t…

But many reform voters or those who no longer support Starmer will also base their views on their life experiences, history, etc, they will just be different to yours cossy.

But jokes are fine. Those in power should without exception be challenged with humour - the court jester and all that.

Some more humour on here would be very welcome at times.

Agreed, Perhaps we could all follow Primrosethedecoratorsdaughter and rename ourselves after the occupations of our dads - although casdontheheattreatmentmetallurgistsdaughter is quite a mouthful I admit.

I am a shopkeepers daughter like Thatcher

Galaxy

But many reform voters or those who no longer support Starmer will also base their views on their life experiences, history, etc, they will just be different to yours cossy.

If what people were saying about Starmer included life experiences, history or any sort of analysis I would be less worried about the propaganda that I keep banging on about. I am interested in politics and welcome a range of views to take on board, but that is not, on the whole, what we've been getting. It has been the same rhetoric, carefully crafted to say very little. Off the top of my head I've come up with:
Two-tier Keir
Captain Flip-flop (or just the term flip-flop)
Never-here Keir
Captain Hindsight
Free gear Keir
Coming for/gunning for/attacking pensioners/farmers
War on drivers/employers
Rabbit in the headlights
Mr Charisma

As soon as I press 'send' I'll remember more. I find it frightening.

He’s more respected in some countries than he is in his own

Cossy I was reflecting on this earlier. I wonder what folk in other countries think about what we’ve done here?

I think some Americans particularly, might think we’re bonkers!

Obviously, if nanna’s posts are anything to go by, they don’t care much for KS in Australia🤷‍♀️

Casdon

Agreed, Perhaps we could all follow Primrosethedecoratorsdaughter and rename ourselves after the occupations of our dads - although casdontheheattreatmentmetallurgistsdaughter is quite a mouthful I admit.

No objections to that idea. 😉

No sympathy here. The biggest tool his toolmaker father made imo

Doodledog

Galaxy

But many reform voters or those who no longer support Starmer will also base their views on their life experiences, history, etc, they will just be different to yours cossy.

If what people were saying about Starmer included life experiences, history or any sort of analysis I would be less worried about the propaganda that I keep banging on about. I am interested in politics and welcome a range of views to take on board, but that is not, on the whole, what we've been getting. It has been the same rhetoric, carefully crafted to say very little. Off the top of my head I've come up with:
Two-tier Keir
Captain Flip-flop (or just the term flip-flop)
Never-here Keir
Captain Hindsight
Free gear Keir
Coming for/gunning for/attacking pensioners/farmers
War on drivers/employers
Rabbit in the headlights
Mr Charisma

As soon as I press 'send' I'll remember more. I find it frightening.

I haven’t seen those on here ….are there more than one or two?

Agreed Doodledog 22.16

Or are you talking about other SM or certain newspapers?