Govt announces Ukrainian style scheme to bring thousands more migrants to UK

Thank you, LemonJam, for defending me.

LizzieDrip

Absolutely LemonJam.

If we start going down the ‘one bad apple’ rabbit hole we really are in a bad place.

E.g: a man is a rapist so, using the ‘one bad apple’ trope … all men are potential rapists and to be avoided🤷‍♀️

I was accused of being "nasty" for claiming the same thing.

I wouldn’t apply for this scheme, I won’t use the phrase ‘taking somebody in’ as there’s quite a bit of money changing hands.
It could be a dangerous thing to do for an older couple or a single woman of any age or an older man living on his own.
That’s just good sense.
I wouldn’t share my bit of serenity for any amount of money or cause.
And when it comes to it, not many will do with this initiative either unless they themselves are from those countries mentioned.

Well we use the risk that men present ( in terms of sexual assault for example) in many scenarios, it is one of the reasons why women have single sex spaces.

I think Mahmood's plan for refugees having to apply is the best one yet. Those who don't meet the criteria will not be coming.
Hopefully the end of dangerous routes and those who exploit desperate people for their own benefit.

I applaud the scheme, anything that gives genuine refugees a safe legal route is better than the system that we currently have which puts money into the hands of people traffickers and people at risk of drowning in the channel. It also gives refugees proper support to help them understand British customs and language whilst allowing them to give something back to the people who support them. I've worked with refugees and have found them extremely grateful to have received asylum and wanting to contribute to the society that has offered them hope of a better life. I thank my lucky stars that I have not been in their place, not by anything that I have done but purely by being born in Britain.

Absolutely LemonJam.

If we start going down the ‘one bad apple’ rabbit hole we really are in a bad place.

E.g: a man is a rapist so, using the ‘one bad apple’ trope … all men are potential rapists and to be avoided🤷‍♀️

One bad apple argument- crikey- you could apply that to every situation in life. I am sure many of us might have had a one bad apple boyfriend, friend, neighbour or boss in years gone by.

It didn't stop us moving house, applying for a Job accepting a date.

You read Catswhiskas comments in an entirely different way that I did Rosie51. Catswhiskas has further explained herself and clarified she wasn't being nasty at all.

Nobody is asking or expecting anyone to take a screened refugee into their home they don't want to. To understand the real risk you would have to look at all those that have taken in refugees over the years and how many came to harm. From my experience and anecdotal knowledge it is a minimal risk. There is a greater risk taking in a lodger quite frankly than a refugee seeking sanctuary in a safe country grateful to the kind nature of those that are willing to use them.

No, Rosie51, it isn't what I was expecting FriedGreenTomatoes* to do, so stop trying to be a mind-reader. It is entirely up to her what she does, which is exactly what I wrote. I wasn't nasty. She was the one who stated that "one bad apple" is enough to distrust a whole group of people. In my book, that makes somebody very risk averse and involves stereotyping. So be it, but don't call me nasty for pointing it out.

LemonJam do you honestly think CatsWhiskas' assumption that FGT has never travelled on a road or been in a plane is a genuine held belief or was that assumption made to belittle FGT?

Of course the refugees will be screened but no screening is ever 100% and I can understand why a lone female, especially one recently widowed would be cautious or risk averse.

If being adverse to the risk of taking a scene asylum seeker into your home is the sole reason for objecting to this scheme so be it. There are plenty that will.

MT62

CatsWhiskas

I assume you've never travelled on a road or been in a plane, if you're so risk-averse.

Not quite the same thing is it.
You obviously haven’t observed clips of young women on buses & tubes being pestered for sexual favours by some of these men.

No, I haven't but I did travel by bus and train twice a day when I was a teenager and remember being pestered even in the 1960s and 70s. Shame we didn't have mobile phones back in the day. It's not new.

LizzieDrip

^Contact Refugees at Home there are other organisations also. This is not a new thing. I know someone who has offered accommodation to various refugees as they arrived in the UK for over 14 years. Support such as you mention ronib around the house and garden often offered and welcomed. There are many that have good hearts and wish to support such refugees. I hope those that are less supportive and understanding are not seeking to disparage the views of those that support refugees or the support offered to those refugees arriving in the UK from terrible worn torn places in the world such as Sudan and Eritrea. That would be unpleasant^

Agreed LemonJam.

I have a friend who has done this through a church charity. She lives alone and has offered refuge for several asylum seekers over the years.

As well as her having a good heart, she’s found that the refugees are also extremely kind hearted and grateful. They’ve helped her with gardening, cleaning, shopping and even decorating.

I’ve only heard her speak highly of the people she’s housed.

Everyone I know thats opened their home to offer sanctuary to refugees also have said it has been a mutually rewarding experience.

Rosie51- if you decide to take a refugee into your home I would applaud you as I did an earlier poster. I assumed, but feel free to correct me if I was wrong and I agree to be corrected if so, that it was something you were not minded to do form the content of your posts.

I did not view the comment

*CatsWhiskas
I assume you've never travelled on a road or been in a plane, if you're so risk-averse*

as thoroughly nasty as you did. The refugees are going to be screened before arrival It is a fact that getting on a plane and travelling on a road involves risk.

I wonder how the risks compare?- ie number of accidents on the road and from plane journeys compared to those in the UK who have provided kind hearted sanctuary in their homes for refugees seeking sanctuary form war torn places in the world and have suffered harm?

All that I have known who have opened their homes to refugees have found it a rewarding experience and have not come to any harm.

LemonJam did you miss the bit where CatsWhiskas made her nasty comment because FGT said she wouldn't take the risk of having a stranger in her home. You have now assumed that I won't and apparently that's OK?

It's up to individuals to decide for themselves and they are not required to defend their choices. isn't that exactly what CatsWhiskas was expecting FGT to do?

LizzieDrip

^Contact Refugees at Home there are other organisations also. This is not a new thing. I know someone who has offered accommodation to various refugees as they arrived in the UK for over 14 years. Support such as you mention ronib around the house and garden often offered and welcomed. There are many that have good hearts and wish to support such refugees. I hope those that are less supportive and understanding are not seeking to disparage the views of those that support refugees or the support offered to those refugees arriving in the UK from terrible worn torn places in the world such as Sudan and Eritrea. That would be unpleasant^

Agreed LemonJam.

I have a friend who has done this through a church charity. She lives alone and has offered refuge for several asylum seekers over the years.

As well as her having a good heart, she’s found that the refugees are also extremely kind hearted and grateful. They’ve helped her with gardening, cleaning, shopping and even decorating.

I’ve only heard her speak highly of the people she’s housed.

She’s been quite lucky then LD

Rosie51

CatsWhiskas

I assume you've never travelled on a road or been in a plane, if you're so risk-averse.

What a thoroughly nasty comment. You know full well FGT has done both, are you trying to belittle her aversion to the risk of taking a stranger into her home? Do we assume you will be offering a home to a refugee since you're obviously not risk averse at all?

The proposal includes detail of screening the refugees before they arrive.

The proposal is not seeking that every household across the country takes a refugee, already screened, into their home. , Rosie51 it appears you will not put your self forward to do so and that's absolutely fine but why your antipathy towards CatsWhiskas with your question "Do we assume you will be offering a home to a refugee since you're obviously not risk averse at all?'

It's up to individuals to decide for themselves and they are not required to defend their choices. Plenty will put themselves forward and that's all that matters.

CatsWhiskas

I assume you've never travelled on a road or been in a plane, if you're so risk-averse.

Not quite the same thing is it.
You obviously haven’t observed clips of young women on buses & tubes being pestered for sexual favours by some of these men.

It may be an idea to facilitate/formulate a scheme which would recruit /encourage the already ‘settled’ migrant communities to be involved in aiding their fellow countrymen/women - practically and financially 👍☘️ FGT I understand your concerns - parts of Liverpool are effectively ’no go’ areas due to many factors - unregulated untrammelled immigration and concomitant social problems both for immigrants and indigenous people being one

Madgran77

From BBC report" Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood said the new system would protect "genuine refugees" while "closing loopholes that have been too often abused".

Makes sense!!

I agree. Plus they will be screened before arrival whcih is good news.

vegansrock

People don’t seem to realise that over 90% of migrants arrive here legally anyway thanks to one B Johnson and his “ take back control “ lie.

Absolutely. That’s why I didn’t vote for then last two times

Primrose53

AGAA4

What a very unpleasant thread.

It’s news and not unpleasant. People have differing opinions and just because they do not align with yours does not make you right or better than anybody else.

Well said 👏👏👏👏👏

MT62

Been all round Manchester back in the day. Also family in Liverpool. Outskirts today aren’t nice at all.
But to have all these homeless in this day & age is an absolute disgrace.

Catswhiskas

Been all round Manchester back in the day. Also family in Liverpool. Outskirts today aren’t nice at all.
But to have all these homeless in this day & age is an absolute disgrace.