Govt announces Ukrainian style scheme to bring thousands more migrants to UK

I hear you but I just dont feel under threat. It feels to me like "an addition to" not something taken away.
I know this is a commonplace thing to say, but we are after all an island of waves of immigrants initially. Times change: what are folks afraid of losing ?

We talk about British decency and so on, but goodness me, the rates of abuse to women and children? The cities smeared with graffiti? Home grown, home grown.

Wyllow3

Ah, I can clear that up GG13.

When I referred to "us" I was not referring to posters here, but the "us and them" cultural divide where "our" culture is "better".

ie, "Othering" people as "not us" because of culture not the many factors that make us up as different people/

Well who said our culture is better? No-one. But it is our culture and we want to protect it from being lost. We don't want it to change into another culture. People seem to have missed that point.

I am under the impression that they are sending them all up North

MT62

Sorry primrose I can’t watch that as I haven’t got facebook.
I’d just careful of what they wish for as it’s coming back to bite them on the backside.
Even Keir said we becoming a land of strangers

Be careful

Sorry primrose I can’t watch that as I haven’t got facebook.
I’d just careful of what they wish for as it’s coming back to bite them on the backside.
Even Keir said we becoming a land of strangers

I know this is off topic but...I recall so well reading a book on political theory way back. I was trundling along, accepting of course that "man" was used for men and women at that time, (early 1970's)

Until I came to a chapter, "The Woman Question". it was like a sudden electric shock..where was "I", I thought I'd "Belonged" all along.

I should have been clearer.

It's interesting actually that it was Simone de Beauvoir who was one of the original thinkers on "othering".

"Simone de Beauvoir’s 1949 feminist book The Second Sex. ....De Beauvoir used the "Self-Other" binary to explain how men position themselves as the human "norm" (the Self), casting women as the divergent "Other". We've seen that change over time of course but it's still at the roots of some misogyny.

Wyllow3

Ah, I can clear that up GG13.

When I referred to "us" I was not referring to posters here, but the "us and them" cultural divide where "our" culture is "better".

ie, "Othering" people as "not us" because of culture not the many factors that make us up as different people/

OK thank you 👍

Just goes to show how easy it is to misinterpret posts 🤦‍♀️

Ah, I can clear that up GG13.

When I referred to "us" I was not referring to posters here, but the "us and them" cultural divide where "our" culture is "better".

ie, "Othering" people as "not us" because of culture not the many factors that make us up as different people/

greyfur

Primrose53

MT62

These politicians probably have big homes, plenty of bedrooms.
Since they want all these migrants, & refugees, I think they should accommodate them in their homes.
I am all for charity starts at home.
Our own homeless want sorting out as it’s becoming a disgrace.

MT62

Have you seen the “Stand Up to Racism” group have launched a petition against 1,250 asylum seekers being housed near them in Bicester, Oxfordshire?

Refugees Welcome but not in our back yard hey? 🤣

Seems rather odd behaviour from this group. What is their motive do you think please?

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I quote you Wyllow3

What makes us so superior

My question is how do you arrive at the conclusion that some posters on this thread feel they are superior.

I know I certainly don’t consider myself superior.

GrannyGravy13

How do you link being concerned about the influx of young undocumented men to a feeling of superiority Wyllow3 ?

Accusing someone of virtue signalling is just another way of attacking them, GG13, or attempting to negate what they have said.

greyfur

Primrose53

MT62

These politicians probably have big homes, plenty of bedrooms.
Since they want all these migrants, & refugees, I think they should accommodate them in their homes.
I am all for charity starts at home.
Our own homeless want sorting out as it’s becoming a disgrace.

MT62

Have you seen the “Stand Up to Racism” group have launched a petition against 1,250 asylum seekers being housed near them in Bicester, Oxfordshire?

Refugees Welcome but not in our back yard hey? 🤣

Seems rather odd behaviour from this group. What is their motive do you think please?

I found this about MOD Bicester on the BBC local news and it links to other similar articles.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpq3xggdj4yo

Primrose53

MT62

These politicians probably have big homes, plenty of bedrooms.
Since they want all these migrants, & refugees, I think they should accommodate them in their homes.
I am all for charity starts at home.
Our own homeless want sorting out as it’s becoming a disgrace.

MT62

Have you seen the “Stand Up to Racism” group have launched a petition against 1,250 asylum seekers being housed near them in Bicester, Oxfordshire?

Refugees Welcome but not in our back yard hey? 🤣

Seems rather odd behaviour from this group. What is their motive do you think please?

Wyllow3

You are forgetting the men who come, why, just like your lovely son, because they face death in countries who cannot accept our values.

There is a really gross "tarring all with the same brush" line of thought going on here. Well - incomers are all different. I posted up thread an example of Afghan gay men who had tried to escape through Turkey and were some frozen to death and others lost limbs through frostbite carried in each others arms in limbo.
Or the decent men whose families have made the mistake with the smugglers of giving their last pennies to the youngest and most able to cope up so they can bring their womenfolk over too?

My God, do you judge

"Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone"

No-one is 'tarring all with the same brush' or throwing stones at everyone who tries to come here. Of course there are genuine people, honest and hardworking, willing to contribute to society. But amongst them are those who wish us harm or with criminal intentions, and it's no good pretending they are all saints.

How do you link being concerned about the influx of young undocumented men to a feeling of superiority Wyllow3 ?

I have more individual stories but I'll shut up in the face of those who just won't see! Of course there are some arriving as economic migrants who need to be sent home, but OTOH we need some of them as reality hits our own people not working in various sectors as they are so badly paid and our birth rate. How many of us can be grateful of some incomer who has gone the extra mile for us in hospital?
I recall well an ambulance driver from a West African country (it was on the Channel 5 reality "999" who was so kind to elderly people he visited who lived alone and was sad our culture could leave out elders alone in that state? What makes us so superior?

An elected governments first duty is to protect its citizens and country.

I wouldn’t take in any random person whether they be an asylum seeker, UK veteran or homeless person.

My charity is towards small local charities and our local hospice.

No saint here: full of faults: but lumping all incomers together as likely to do what they are accused of above makes me very angry given those I personally know who have come as refugees.

The Mental Ward Nurse I knew who escaped and entered as irregular intitally after seeing her family macheted in front of her?
The Eritrean cleaner at my gym right now who escaped a dangerous husband in a community that would not accept her needs, smuggled out by her Christian Church? These are real people, you know.

Oreo

It’s all very well being a 😇 about this immigrant problem but it’s up to our government to keep us safe and not allow our towns and cities to become overcrowded , as immigration needs to be carefully done for any country.Asylum granted to the truly needy only, as it used to be.

The government acts as if it has no choices.

Do they have choices?

greyfur

mumofmadboys

I think the tone of this thread has been most unfortunate. It has served only to put peoples backs up. There should be no pressure to offer accommodation to refugees. It is a personal decision based on one's circumstances.
As has been stated there are other ways we csn help refugees without offering accommodation.

The hectoring tone is misplaced. Nobody needs to justify why in later life, they may choose not to invite a refugee into their home.

And yet when FGT said she was too risk averse to take anyone in CatsWhiskas immediately said obviously FGT had never used a road or flew in a plane which I consider an unkind sarcastic remark. As I recall I was the only one to call her out for it.

It’s all very well being a 😇 about this immigrant problem but it’s up to our government to keep us safe and not allow our towns and cities to become overcrowded , as immigration needs to be carefully done for any country.Asylum granted to the truly needy only, as it used to be.

You are forgetting the men who come, why, just like your lovely son, because they face death in countries who cannot accept our values.

There is a really gross "tarring all with the same brush" line of thought going on here. Well - incomers are all different. I posted up thread an example of Afghan gay men who had tried to escape through Turkey and were some frozen to death and others lost limbs through frostbite carried in each others arms in limbo.
Or the decent men whose families have made the mistake with the smugglers of giving their last pennies to the youngest and most able to cope up so they can bring their womenfolk over too?

My God, do you judge

"Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone"

I agree with Sarnia on this subject. Young men coming in from these countries are not usually respectful of our values and attitudes to women, girls and gay people.
People are right to be aware of these differences.
As I recall Angela Merkel once welcomed in an influx of migrants into Germany, however the Hamburg area say some horrendous incidents of young women being harassed and worse, leading to a complete change towards Merkel.
My eldest son has been with his male partner (now husband) for 30 years.
Over the years attitudes to gay people has evolved and we have become a more open and tolerant society.
I can see us having an influx of people arriving here who will not be prepared to integrate at all into a tolerant society.

Chestnut

Whatever the law says, we cannot carry on like this. The latest BBC investigation uncovered a people smuggler living in Leicester, running high street vape shops who was a millionaire. How many more like him? We have criminal gangs living right under our noses because we have no idea who is entering the country.

So many people chose to open the floodgates.