Another 'Brexit win'? People smuggler convicted in France found by BBC living in UK and seeking asylum

Well the leave campaign made everyone with a grievance of any kind think that leaving the EU would solve it (clever eh?) but it obviously didn’t work. And they’re now saying ‘it was the wrong kind of Brexit and wasn’t done properly’.

How can it be discussed rationally when people won't acknowledge the class element, and that a large part of it is the middle class unable to understand classes other than their own.

Galaxy

How do you expect to discuss it rationally and then go on to call people xenophobes. How is that going to work.

How can it be discussed rationally when no one will admit that it was partly caused by xenophobic? Because it was.

How do you expect to discuss it rationally and then go on to call people xenophobes. How is that going to work.

^ One of the most profound economic and political changes to our constitutional way of life happened in 2016, with consequences that would inevitably follow and play out over decades; we should be able to debate this, rationally. The date - 2016 - is irrelevant, what matters is how we deal with the consequences of that event now, and in the future.^

I’m afraid that I cannot move on, as you would clearly like, Dickens, when this forum, and the wider public, is riven by the xenophobia which clearly drove the successful Leave vote, despite numerous denials, and which is exhibited with great regularity on Gnet. My sticking point is the fact that much of today’s difficulties, so tediously reiterated by the xenophobes, are a direct result of Brexit, as evidenced by my OP.

At least we have Brexit to blame for all our woes.
Where does Germany put the blame for their demise 🤷‍♀️
Once they were the power house of Europe, but no more.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002ymwc

MayBee70

You obviously haven’t been reading any of the previous posts have you…

I doubt there will be any further response.

Boris Johnson once claimed that Britain's 'problems' had little to do with Brussels, they were more related to our own domestic failures. If only people had taken as much notice of his pronouncements then as they did when opportunity knocked and he changed his mind. Or, at least - challenged him.

One of the most profound economic and political changes to our constitutional way of life happened in 2016, with consequences that would inevitably follow and play out over decades; we should be able to debate this, rationally. The date - 2016 - is irrelevant, what matters is how we deal with the consequences of that event now, and in the future.

WithNobsOnIt

I am sick of hearing people blame everything on Brexit. From the holier than thou. Think do gooders, to bleeding heart liberals/socialists and wokes.

What about this feckless, inept government we have who have allegedly spent millions of pounds trying to tackle this problem.

They obviously really couldn't care less and secretly love these people Plus their information and other systems are broken. Total lack of joined up government.

And the BBC seem to have taken over from, and doing a much better job than the Police in investigating and flagging up these matters.

Lastly if we could leave the archaic, not fit for purpose ECHR. We would not be having all of these so called immigration problems.

You obviously haven’t been reading any of the previous posts have you…

WithNobsOnIt

I am sick of hearing people blame everything on Brexit. From the holier than thou. Think do gooders, to bleeding heart liberals/socialists and wokes.

What about this feckless, inept government we have who have allegedly spent millions of pounds trying to tackle this problem.

They obviously really couldn't care less and secretly love these people Plus their information and other systems are broken. Total lack of joined up government.

And the BBC seem to have taken over from, and doing a much better job than the Police in investigating and flagging up these matters.

Lastly if we could leave the archaic, not fit for purpose ECHR. We would not be having all of these so called immigration problems.

Would you mind if I just pointed out that that those who voted to Remain are not a homogenous group?

... some might be a bit "holier than thou" - such individuals come from all political stripes.

However, many right-wing individuals who voted Remain are anything BUT 'do-gooders' and 'bleeding-heart liberals'... think - for example - George Osborne, former Chancellor; a do-gooding-bleeding-heart-liberal is definitely not how the majority of people would describe him.

Why do you assume that anyone who talks about the consequences of Brexit is a left-wing 'woke'?

GrannyGravy13

Grantanow

Brexit: the gift that continues to give. All down to Farage, the Tory loony Eurosceptics and other numpties.

I have always found once you start calling people names you have lost any argument you may have…

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Grantanow

Brexit: the gift that continues to give. All down to Farage, the Tory loony Eurosceptics and other numpties.

I have always found once you start calling people names you have lost any argument you may have…

I am sick of hearing people blame everything on Brexit. From the holier than thou. Think do gooders, to bleeding heart liberals/socialists and wokes.

What about this feckless, inept government we have who have allegedly spent millions of pounds trying to tackle this problem.

They obviously really couldn't care less and secretly love these people Plus their information and other systems are broken. Total lack of joined up government.

And the BBC seem to have taken over from, and doing a much better job than the Police in investigating and flagging up these matters.

Lastly if we could leave the archaic, not fit for purpose ECHR. We would not be having all of these so called immigration problems.

LemonJam

Dickens

LemonJam

Jacob Rees Mogg has said and made many daft predictions things about Brexit.

... and not confined to Brexit.

When JRM responds to questions, he sometimes gives the impression that he's just woken from a long sleep and is finding the daylight a tad uncomfortable.

Well- he's not able to stretch those long legs of his and get some shut eye on the House of Commons benches anymore 😂😂

I think he feels the 21st/ 20th century a tad uncomfortable.

Brexit: the gift that continues to give. All down to Farage, the Tory loony Eurosceptics and other numpties.

Dickens

LemonJam

Jacob Rees Mogg has said and made many daft predictions things about Brexit.

... and not confined to Brexit.

When JRM responds to questions, he sometimes gives the impression that he's just woken from a long sleep and is finding the daylight a tad uncomfortable.

Well- he's not able to stretch those long legs of his and get some shut eye on the House of Commons benches anymore 😂😂

Clever of LP to introduce enhanced counter terrorism style tactics in this new proposed bill. The UK has a close counter terrorism dialogue with the EU and co operates with the informal pan European agencies to share terrorist threats.

Will be interesting to see how that pans out if and when the bill is passed- may go some way to make up for the loss of EU data sharing as previously highlighted.

That's good news. I know Labour have done a lot more to stop illegal working than the Tories did.
Smuggling gangs should face tough tactics.

LemonJam

Jacob Rees Mogg has said and made many daft predictions things about Brexit.

... and not confined to Brexit.

When JRM responds to questions, he sometimes gives the impression that he's just woken from a long sleep and is finding the daylight a tad uncomfortable.

The Labour Party's crackdown on illegal working has led to record level raids and 67% increase in arrests in past 2 years. Ive noticed this increase recently in my Police custody suite work.

Labour's proposed Border Security Asylum and Immigration bill will give law enforcement the toughest powers yet to take down criminal smuggling gangs. For the first time gangs will face counterterrorist style tactics.

Oreo

I would say it’s more that it’s high time that the Home Office and immigration got its act together to do some real investigation into people already on our shores.
If the BBC and GB News can do it then surely they can as they have far more resources than journalists or tv channels.

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The agencies would have to know the people are here in the first place. Journalists may get tips offs as may the agencies, Strengthening capability is a good thing I agree. I think the LP has invested more to beef up the capacity of Immigration Enforcement and has expanded detention capacity with a plan to deport 45,000 foreign criminals over. the next. decade.

Immigration Enforcement still suffers from the loss of the EU data-sharing agreement with many countries in the EU following Brexi- despite Starmer government increased. investment. It's now more difficult for IE to check criminal and immigration records. They can only check UK databases now so would not easily know of convictions in other EU countries and other EU immigration data.

An earlier poster highlighted- Asylum seekers are fingerprinted on arrival in the UK and checked against UK police databases, but these now would not necessarily show a conviction from another country.

I would say it’s more that it’s high time that the Home Office and immigration got its act together to do some real investigation into people already on our shores.
If the BBC and GB News can do it then surely they can as they have far more resources than journalists or tv channels.

GrannyGravy13

If the U.K. and EU’s military and defence operations continued with little to no difference post Brexit, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that criminal intelligence agencies couldn’t have continued sharing as before.

The UK decided to leave the EU, not the other way round. The EU is not obliged to give the UK benefits its previously enjoyed when it was an EU member and paid its contributions.

It is for the UK to negotiate for EU benefits it has now lost, if it so wishes and if the UK is prepared to pay the EU for those benefits surely?

Mamie

FriedGreenTomatoes2

We are like Boy Scouts in the UK when it comes to rules
Dib dib dib.

Mediterranean and Gallic countries do ‘the shrug’ when rules don’t suit.

Himself was always amazed out here in Málaga when observing construction workers. “Look” he’d say “not a hard hat, boots or a pair of goggles between them!”.

On the other hand, European countries who have identity cards have a much better system for knowing where people are living, working and accessing services. If you have experienced it first hand you understand the difference that having an ID card makes.

Mamie, that would be a very interesting discussion and comparison, I'm starting a new thread and hope you'll join in.

The mini mart this man owned and ran has been closed by the council, after the BBC investigation.

Not much use, as apparently they reopen a day or two later.

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