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Evidence on Andy Burnham's National Care Service proposals

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DaisyAnneReturns Fri 17-Jul-26 07:32:53

I'd like this thread to focus on verifiable information about Andy Burnham's views and proposals for a National Care Service

The aim is to build a resource, a factual reference rather than an opinion thread.

So far we have:

• March 2010 – White Paper Building the National Care Service published.
• 30 March 2010 – Burnham introduces it in Parliament (Hansard).
• January 2015 – Burnham: "I want a single service... a national health and care service." (Hansard).

Iam64 Wed 29-Jul-26 15:32:18

Local authorities and nhs have long been trying to work out the best way to combine health and social care. LAs concerned care finance would probably be absorbed into the nhs without clear boundaries

Just heard the latest poll outs labour at 28, reform on 24

Labradora Wed 29-Jul-26 15:37:03

Cossy

Sago

This will be fun……..any other restrictions you would like to impose.

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Quite......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Mollygo Wed 29-Jul-26 16:15:12

Labradora

Cossy
Sago
This will be fun……..any other restrictions you would like to impose.
🤣🤣🤣
Quite......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Don't be naughty!

LemonJam Wed 29-Jul-26 17:04:18

Iam64

Local authorities and nhs have long been trying to work out the best way to combine health and social care. LAs concerned care finance would probably be absorbed into the nhs without clear boundaries

Just heard the latest poll outs labour at 28, reform on 24

Thanks iam64. The polling trends and how they have changed over the past couple of weeks is fascinating to watch:

27 June Reform 26.3% and Labour 20.7% Conservative 19.4%, Greens 12.9% and Lib Dems 12.1%

14 July Reform 25.4% Labour 20.1% Conservative 19%, Greens 13.6% and lib Dems 12%

21st July Labour 22% and Reform 24.6% etc

Then your lastest polls 29 July- Labour ahead by 4 points.

It appears to be a recent marked trajectory trend with Labour polling upwards over the past couple of weeks, taking the poll numbers directly away from Reform UK which is going downwards week by week. The other main parties poll results are not varying too much

LemonJam Thu 30-Jul-26 12:39:36

I think Reform UK is miffed that Farage was not invited by Burham to his cross party leader social care initial debate. But the Reform UK leader is not actually an MP at the moment- his choice!- and neither does the party have a health spokesperson dealing with such matters.

At a press conference Robert Jenrick called this morning, the Reform UK Treasury spokesperson, he claimed his party was serious about social care reform. He also made no announcement that Reform UK also wants to look at social care reform or seeks to consider ways to fund it- ie how Burham is seeking to do, on a cross party basis.

Asked if not having a health spokesperson meant the party did not take this issue seriously, Jenrick replied: “No, we’re holding this press conference today. Have other opposition parties held a press conference dedicated to social care and this response? I haven’t seen them. Reform is currently running 30 local authorities across the country which have responsibility for social care, more than any of the other political parties.
We are absolutely at the coalface of this, trying to do our utmost to support people in difficult times. Don’t tell us we don’t care about this issue. We really do.

What we don’t want to see is hardworking Brits having to pick up the price of that for losing their home, losing their nest egg, not being able to hand that on to their children and their grandchildren. That’s the point that we’re making today".

What is Reform actually doing and achieving for Social Care in the LAs they run- do any local posters know? I think Jenrick has not grasped the current situation, ie those people receiving social care in those Reform LAs are currently already paying their care home fees between £1,500 and £2,000 a week on average if they have assets above £23,250! They are already loosing their nest egg so not able to hand that over to their children and grandchildren if paying care home costs

What Jenrick did not say in his press conference was what Reform UK proposes to do about the social care. reform. Nothing on the Reform UK website either. No Reform UK Health spokesman either to attend cross party talks. Farage as Reform UK leader, similarly is totally silent on the social care reform challenge.

At least Burnham has pledged to confront this complex and challenging issue and has initiated cross party talks. If AB achieves this policy aspiration alone he would have achieved more than any PM over the past 30 years or more.

In comparison Jenrick calls a press conference merely to tell us Reform UK is serious about social care because it runs LAs that deliver social care. Further that the other parties have not called a press conference today as he has to tell us they are serious about social care they deliver in LAs that they may be running. 🤷‍♀️

Basgetti Thu 30-Jul-26 13:00:18

I wish him and his government every success.