Andy Burnham now officially Leader of Labour Party.

It depends if you think 'playing a blinder' means forcing a by election, I don't, and that applies to all political parties.

GrannyGravy13

I agree with Galaxy

From a regional Mayor to PM in a matter of weeks, underhand and devious, planned behind the scenes for how long?

So what? There are many examples of devious and underhand behaviour in politics across the board. Purely objectively he and his team played a blinder and demonstrated skills and abilities that should serve them well. A drawn out campaign over the summer would have served no one imo

Galaxy

Nefarious isn't the right word. I think undignified and manipulative possibly might work. I have been clear on my view of Starmer ( and I originally supported him) but I am not going to pretend I think what happened was ok. I too understand the rules of the labour party.

I think posters should make it clear if they are criticising what went on behind the scenes ( as you are) or if they think the actual rules were broken. I think for some it’s the latter.

I agree with Galaxy

From a regional Mayor to PM in a matter of weeks, underhand and devious, planned behind the scenes for how long?

Whitewavemark2

allsorts just to calm your fears a bit.

The unions have little or no power now, so the chaos of the 70s certainly won’t be repeated.

The ID scheme had already been watered down from its original plan, and it was thought that it would only now be voluntary - so its point was no longer there really.

Burnham will be subject to the same tax laws as the rest of us (unless you are Farage of course) so anything he introduces regarding tax wealth will affect him if he is wealthy enough - which I doubt tbh.

I believe digital ID is being scrapped. 👍🏻

Nefarious isn't the right word. I think undignified and manipulative possibly might work. I have been clear on my view of Starmer ( and I originally supported him) but I am not going to pretend I think what happened was ok. I too understand the rules of the labour party.

LizzieDrip

I do understand the rules.

If that post was to me, I certainly didn’t mean to imply that you didn’t I suppose I was making the point for those on this thread who don’t seem to understand the rules and believe something nefarious happened.

I do understand the rules.

If nobody comes forward in opposition that is as good as being elected, surely? So long as there is opportunity to do so, that is (which there was). It wasn’t a coup d’etat - had anyone felt AB was the wrong man for the job they could have stood against him.

As a matter of interest, how many of the last seven PMs took office after GEs?

I very much hope he can stick to the sort of Labour values that have been lost lately- redistribution of wealth and opportunity (particularly outside of London and the SE) renationalising of utilities and major industries, regenerating areas that have been overlooked for so long, tackling the COL that plagues so many young families, getting more young people into work and so on.

Maremia

I don't remember there being an election for Liz Truss.

There was an election for her to become leader. But not for Rishi. But all that matters in any party is that they follow their rules whatever others think of them.

I don't remember there being an election for Liz Truss.

LizzieDrip

… although he wasn’t elected by the Constituency Labour Party membership (approx 250,000 people) of course. But we don’t seem to matter!

But that was because no one else was nominated. I can however imagine if I were a LP member, I could feel aggrieved at that. However, as a left of centre member of the public, I’m glad it hasn’t bern protracted and that he’s got the summer to settle in and get his team up and running

… although he wasn’t elected by the Constituency Labour Party membership (approx 250,000 people) of course. But we don’t seem to matter!

Primrose, he was elected. First as MP for Makerfield and then as leader of LP. The fact he was unopposed for the latter is irrelevant .

Oreo

If they read any newspaper or none actually greyfur
What kind of person wants this sicko to stay here? He never repudiated the idea that it was wrong to groom and have sex with underage children.He will reoffend for sure.

I agree and he needs to go!

Allsorts

He doesn't want anyone to have any inherited wealth, yet he will be in the position even if he lasts a week of a very good pension and weakthier than enertering. I don't think it will be too long before the chaos of 70's evolve with all the strikes. How on earth we have ended up with him is a travestry. As for no ID cards! Very useful for all those under the radar. I give up!

Some very good points and it is indeed a travesty that he can become PM when he has not been elected.

Plenty of other countries use ID cards and have done for years. I think they are commonsense and vital these days. But hey ho, Andy Pandy knows best! 😉

allsorts just to calm your fears a bit.

The unions have little or no power now, so the chaos of the 70s certainly won’t be repeated.

The ID scheme had already been watered down from its original plan, and it was thought that it would only now be voluntary - so its point was no longer there really.

Burnham will be subject to the same tax laws as the rest of us (unless you are Farage of course) so anything he introduces regarding tax wealth will affect him if he is wealthy enough - which I doubt tbh.

I think medical hubs are a good idea. Our local A&E has x ray and ct scanners but it’s constantly just full of people who are really ill or have been sent their by their GP

The Observer is very upbeat about Burnham.

He doesn't want anyone to have any inherited wealth, yet he will be in the position even if he lasts a week of a very good pension and weakthier than enertering. I don't think it will be too long before the chaos of 70's evolve with all the strikes. How on earth we have ended up with him is a travestry. As for no ID cards! Very useful for all those under the radar. I give up!

I’d like the country to be proud, to recognise how fortunate we are to live here. So many seem to be dissatisfied with pretty much everything. We are more divided which seems crazy. Things aren’t perfect, never were, though I struggle to get beyond the damage inflicted by austerity. Well done Keir Starmer and his party for beginning to improve things. Go Andy 🌞

Yes Foxie, absolutely.
Let’s give him a chance. A few weeks’ respite, during recess, and time for him to focus on his policies. A bit early in my view to talk about ‘Burnhamism’! I would just like this country to be proud of itself again.

We do have small injuries clinics which I think are extremely useful.

Plevey08

I think AB ideas on medical hubs on the high Street is a good idea, adding in screening and x-rays etc. Not sure where they will find the staff from though In our high street we have a small hub for vaccinations...which helps our GP surgery with not having to run them anymore.

Medical hubs could be a good idea if they shorten waits. DH currently can’t get an appointment for over a month, even with a practice nurse.

Plevey08

I think AB ideas on medical hubs on the high Street is a good idea, adding in screening and x-rays etc. Not sure where they will find the staff from though In our high street we have a small hub for vaccinations...which helps our GP surgery with not having to run them anymore.

The x ray and scanning centres in all medium+ sized towns in France worked brilliantly. A couple of specialist doctors plus technical staff. You got the results of your mammogram straight away. Ditto the specialist blood test centres where results arrived by email the same day,