Angela Rayner is a scrounger, grifter and shameless hypocrite.

And the Daily Mail rage baiting was seized upon with glee by some gransnetters. Why , I don't know. I thought after the green trouser episode that grans were no longer acting like 12 year olds in a fall out. ~You can disagree without using nasty terms.

Yes we know all that Graphite already.
AR could still have handed back money saying it was the right thing to do when the country is struggling.
Apart from it morally being the right thing to do it would have been playing a political blinder for her, which opportunity she has now missed.

TBF, the thread title comes from Nadine Dorries who does not understand the Parliamentary rules and has used her column in the Daily Mail to broadcast that to the nation.

Her severance was paid by mistake as she was over 65. It’s been law since at least 1991 that Ministers over the age of 65 do not receive severance pay.

Rayner was entitled to severance pay as she is under 65, had served as a Cabinet Minister for over six months and was not found to have made a serious breach of the ministerial code. The word serious is key.

And, as I said above, there wouldn't be £17,000 to hand back as over £10,000 of the payment would have gone to the Exchequer in tax.

It's just more Daily Mail rage baiting.

MollyNew

GrannyGravy13

Conservatives have had years and years of threads on GN of members posting extremely personal comments about their MP’s.

Since when have Labour MPs been exempt?

Two wrongs don't make a right as many grannies used to say.

Just a saying, and doesn’t address the disparity talked about.

I’m a Labour voter and I don’t think anyone whether MP or Minister is off limits either in the LP or any other Party.
It isn’t anywhere else so why should it be the case on this forum?

Labour politicians are not exempt but false accusations against anyone should not be tolerated.

Ladyleftfieldlover

This is a truly dreadful thread so I won’t be adding my two penny worth.

You already have done.

Galaxy

Including nadine dorries presumably.

Oh they won’t mind anyone having a go at Nadine Dorries or any other woman from a political Party that isn’t approved on this forum.
AR has, for some unknown reason been declared sacrosanct.
The hypocrisy is laughable, when anything at all can be said about other politicians be they male or female.

MollyNew

GrannyGravy13

Conservatives have had years and years of threads on GN of members posting extremely personal comments about their MP’s.

Since when have Labour MPs been exempt?

Two wrongs don't make a right as many grannies used to say.

I agree that two wrongs do not make a right

I am just interested in why Labour MP’s should be exempt when the other parties are not ?

This is a truly dreadful thread so I won’t be adding my two penny worth.

GrannyGravy13

Conservatives have had years and years of threads on GN of members posting extremely personal comments about their MP’s.

Since when have Labour MPs been exempt?

Two wrongs don't make a right as many grannies used to say.

Conservatives have had years and years of threads on GN of members posting extremely personal comments about their MP’s.

Since when have Labour MPs been exempt?

Including nadine dorries presumably.

BlueBelle

What an utterly horrible thread
I m saying no more but I think it’s nasty and posted to poke the sleeping bear

I agree.
Really horrid to keep having a go at Angela Rayner, and agree with a post up thread that it smacks of bullying.
Let’s treat her like any other Minister and judge her on what she does whilst in office, and it will take some time before we get any indication of that.
Was bad enough that some were talking about what Burnham’s wife was wearing etc.
For goodness sake leave the women alone.

What an utterly horrible thread
I m saying no more but I think it’s nasty and posted to poke the sleeping bear

Casdon. Indeed. Every minister and PUSS who has served for more than six months in Starmer’s government will be entitled to severance pay on a scale according to position.

Ministers reappointed to another paid ministerial post within three months will be expected to forgo their salary until the full three-month period has elapsed, avoiding simultaneous receipt of salary and severance.

If Burnham decides to bring someone back after three months, will we see similar threads calling them scroungers, grifters and shameless hypocrites if they don't repay severance pay to which they were legally entitled?

Tax and NIC is charged on severance pay, halving or more what is received depending on the recipient’s effective marginal rate - which for ministers will be 60%. That £16,876 for a Cabinet Minister ends up as £6,750 in pocket.

It is partly because AR drew attention to that though, so it was more than likely going to come back to haunt her

Oreo

Casdon

Galaxy

It is perfectly reasonable to discuss the severance pay.
I think AR did some impressive work in her previous role, i also think she should have returned the severance pay.

I don’t think anybody is suggesting that the severance pay shouldn’t be discussed though, just that there should be as much respect accorded to AR as to other politicians, instead of the constant demeaning of everything about her.

Do you really think that all other politicians are accorded respect?
I have no time for him but Nigel Farage has consistently been demeaned on this forum, and Boris as well.
Does it only matter if politicians you like are demeaned?
We all have the right to say what we think about politicians.

The other politicians who were removed from one administration but returned to another, including after sackings, did not have their right to severance pay questioned though. It is about even handedness. Angela Rayner attracts vicious, personal comments which are unwarranted.

I didn't read the green trouser suit thread and I won't go looking for it. Sounds like a classic school bullying type of thread to me.

AGAA4

Nigel Farage is being investigated by the police. He has demeaned himself.
Boris Johnson was also in serious trouble for allowing parties during lockdown apart from his links to Russia.
Angela Rayner has been cleared of any wrong doing.

Well said, AGAA4

For example waving libel laws around is hardly likely to facilitate discussion is it. It is just a form of control.

How lovely doodledog.
It is neither. It is a response to the assumptions and tellings off about why people might discuss this subject.

And yes , 'we all have a right to say what we think about politicians'
within the GN rules, of course.

Agreed, oreo.

I am never sure whether Galaxy wants to tell us we are all biased (unlike her??), or is trying to open a conversation in the manner of a facilitator. Neither approach is (IMO) appropriate to an open discussion board to which we all come as equals.

Nigel Farage is being investigated by the police. He has demeaned himself.
Boris Johnson was also in serious trouble for allowing parties during lockdown apart from his links to Russia.
Angela Rayner has been cleared of any wrong doing.