Angela Rayner is a scrounger, grifter and shameless hypocrite.

The last Coservative Defence minister (cannot remember his name and too lazy to look it up) was ex army.

Whitewavemark2

😊 yes but apart from the odd one or two being the obvious exception, minister have very little first hand knowledge of their ministry when they first take office.

That is why I think that there is a strong argument for leaving ministers in post for the entirety of a government unless it is unavoidable (they are useless, or sick)

We suffer badly from short-termism in this country.

Yes, though I think it depends on the quality of the SoS or Minister and their abilty to learn quickly from the Private Office.

😊 yes but apart from the odd one or two being the obvious exception, minister have very little first hand knowledge of their ministry when they first take office.

That is why I think that there is a strong argument for leaving ministers in post for the entirety of a government unless it is unavoidable (they are useless, or sick)

We suffer badly from short-termism in this country.

Mamie

Whitewavemark2

Sunshinegirls

My problem with her is that she is under qualified for the position she holds. What experience does she have to be Housing Minister, twice she has been under investigation for ( you couldn't make it up) housing discrepancies.

Nonsense - what experience do any of the MPs have when they take up ministerial posts.

My DS works at a relatively high level in the EA and says there isn’t a single minister that has ever held that post who has had even a working understanding of the issues. Surprisingly though he said Gove has been the most successful at grasping some of the issues.

Estelle Morris had been a teacher in an inner-city comprehensive school for eighteen years. She was pretty well respected in our LA during the years of multiple initiatives.

Ah sorry, guess you were talking about the Environment Agency.

I agree with others that this could find its way into the Daily Mail as the other notorious green trousers thread did.
Not great for Gransnet.

Whitewavemark2

Sunshinegirls

My problem with her is that she is under qualified for the position she holds. What experience does she have to be Housing Minister, twice she has been under investigation for ( you couldn't make it up) housing discrepancies.

Nonsense - what experience do any of the MPs have when they take up ministerial posts.

My DS works at a relatively high level in the EA and says there isn’t a single minister that has ever held that post who has had even a working understanding of the issues. Surprisingly though he said Gove has been the most successful at grasping some of the issues.

Estelle Morris had been a teacher in an inner-city comprehensive school for eighteen years. She was pretty well respected in our LA during the years of multiple initiatives.

Sunshinegirls

08:47Whitewavemark2

I don't think it's nonsense in the real world (private sector) would you get a top job if you didn't have any experience, I don't think so.

No wonder the country is in such a state of decline.

Politics is not a business😄

What a very moving and apposite last paragraph there, Maizie. it's quite simple as regards the wooden spoon: it's entirely relevant to look at the discussion on the trouser suits in that light.

A heck of a lot happened in there, and some of it is being repeated - showing exactly what Maizie has just written. there is no getting away from it.

They are issues troubling and dividing a nation just as we write and appear in thread after thread.

08:47Whitewavemark2

I don't think it's nonsense in the real world (private sector) would you get a top job if you didn't have any experience, I don't think so.

No wonder the country is in such a state of decline.

Sunshinegirls

My problem with her is that she is under qualified for the position she holds. What experience does she have to be Housing Minister, twice she has been under investigation for ( you couldn't make it up) housing discrepancies.

Saying she's underqualified is just an opinion.

Saying she was investigated is true.

Suggesting those investigations found wrongdoing isn't. They were closed with no charges and no tax liability.

It might just be worth what makes a statement libellous. In England and Wales, for a libel claim, a claimant generally has to show that:

The statement was published to a third party.
It identified them.
It was defamatory.
It has caused, or is likely to cause, serious harm to their reputation.

If someone repeatedly states as fact that:

"The investigations found wrongdoing."

when the investigations actually concluded with no charges, no prosecution, and no tax liability, then that statement is likely to be false. Falsely asserting that someone was officially found guilty of wrongdoing is the sort of statement that could be defamatory because it tends to lower their reputation. I don't think anyone will do anything about it but do you really want to put yourself in that situation?

grumppa

Well said, Doodledog. I may have no time for AR's politics, but I think I know a witch hunt when I see one.

Agree Grumpa

Wyllow3

I f you want to view the trouser suit thread just enter

Angela Raynor Trouser Suit

into the gransnet search engine.

Or not, as it was a disgraceful thread on the part of some posters

Sunshinegirls

My problem with her is that she is under qualified for the position she holds. What experience does she have to be Housing Minister, twice she has been under investigation for ( you couldn't make it up) housing discrepancies.

Nonsense - what experience do any of the MPs have when they take up ministerial posts.

My DS works at a relatively high level in the EA and says there isn’t a single minister that has ever held that post who has had even a working understanding of the issues. Surprisingly though he said Gove has been the most successful at grasping some of the issues.

The colour GREEN featured in high end fashion brands like Prada, Burberry and Bottega Veneta.
It evokes freshness and renewal.
Go ANGELA!

My problem with her is that she is under qualified for the position she holds. What experience does she have to be Housing Minister, twice she has been under investigation for ( you couldn't make it up) housing discrepancies.

Whitewavemark2

It occurs to me that this thread’s headline is ripe to be reported by the likes of the Mail etc.

Quite.

petra

Wyllow3

I f you want to view the trouser suit thread just enter

Angela Raynor Trouser Suit

into the gransnet search engine.

It must be time for a new wooden spoon. The old one must be worn out by now.

Oh, I don’t know. I have functioning wooden spoons which belonged to mt grandparents, so could be 100+ years old…

What continually surprises me is that the 1960s and 70s seem to have completely passed some posters by. Free love, rejection of class and regional stereotypes, rejection of Victorian morality, feminism, women’s independence, growing acceptance of diversity… It’s as though it never happened. Not even a teeny broadening of minds.

I'm off shopping now...looking for a trouser suit. Maybe a grey one, but certain shades of green are appealing 🤣

Primrose,
if there is a LAW that says AR was entitled to that payment, is that acceptable within,
'deserves to keep it'?

Allsorts

No time for her, she is an embarrassment and a scrounger.

Rubbish, this is a working class woman from a poor back ground who was a carer to her Mother. She was done well to get where she is. She has no airs and graces.
I actually dont like Angela Rayner but saying she is a embarrassment is wrong. I think the snobbery to her is nasty and ignorant.

I think humility is a quiet, internal and private process. Not one you compare or shout about

GrannyGravy13

GSM was banned on the thread about electric hair tongs appearing in Downton Abbey.

😄😄

GrannyGravy13

GSM was banned on the thread about electric hair tongs appearing in Downton Abbey.

Exactly.
So many people think they know, when actually they don't know!

It occurs to me that this thread’s headline is ripe to be reported by the likes of the Mail etc.

I don't take notice of what Nadine Dorries says. She was in "I'm a celebrity" whilst she was a constituency MP, unable to vote or hold constituency meetings or even be contacted. Pot, kettle, black springs to mind!