49,000 migrants invade Spanish enclave in 24 hours

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Casdon

The Spanish PM says they are all going to be sent back to Morocco.
‘Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez described the situation as an "attack" and said all illegal migrants would be returned to Morocco "as soon as possible". Several European leaders have expressed concern, some promising to tighten border controls.
More than 25,000 have returned to Morocco voluntarily so far, officials said.’

So something can be done after all?

So it would seem.

It does have to be seen as a long-term geopolitical dispute between Spain and Morocco about territory in North Africa. It was Portuguese before it was Spanish. It doesn't excuse what is happening, but it is not about desperate people fleeing a war torn country. Morocco is, after all, a popular holiday resort.
It is lucky that the relationship between Britain and Spain over Gibralter, despite some disputes, has not been as conflict ridden.

Casdon

The Spanish PM says they are all going to be sent back to Morocco.
‘Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez described the situation as an "attack" and said all illegal migrants would be returned to Morocco "as soon as possible". Several European leaders have expressed concern, some promising to tighten border controls.
More than 25,000 have returned to Morocco voluntarily so far, officials said.’

So something can be done after all?

There is very little stopping people getting into Melilla, a wire fence in the sea. and once they get round the corner they are there, in Spain. For those who are looking for a better life and frankly that’s understandable, it’s easy.

The Spanish PM says they are all going to be sent back to Morocco.
‘Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez described the situation as an "attack" and said all illegal migrants would be returned to Morocco "as soon as possible". Several European leaders have expressed concern, some promising to tighten border controls.
More than 25,000 have returned to Morocco voluntarily so far, officials said.’

Sunshinegirls

As everyone could have guessed, many of the 50 000 illegal migrants who crossed into Ceuta and Melilla yesterday spent the night by breaking into homes, looting stores and clashing with the Spanish police (copied from a post on X)

There's a video of them rampaging through the town but I don't know how to post it.

Let's call it what it is an invasion.

OK, if that's the case, I take back the word influx I used for that number descending on a town. They are obviously causing immediate havoc. I don't like the sound of Spanish women being harassed either.

Galaxy

Yes but the population will vote for the 'far right', and to be honest why wouldn't they.

They might, until they realise that a right wing government can’t stop the boats either. People are desperate for a simple solution to an extremely complex problem, and such a solution simply doesn’t exist.

But many wouldn’t understand how it had happened.

I would be saddened too, but not at all amazed or suprised.

I actually meant to say ‘far right government’ LemonJam not a right wing Conservative one.

Ceuta and Melilla are strange being two small Moroccan coastal towns , some distance from ea ch other but both Spanish from hundreds of years sho when Spain ran the area.
When we were in Melilla one Sunday morning we witnessed a couple of small boats with about
15 men altogether which roared in at speed, turned over tipping the passengers out into the sea snd roared off.
On the beach were two policemen who didn’t do much as they all ran past and away. Later we saw queues at what seemed to be an official building.
It was all quiet and calm.
Just across snd in sight of this is Gibraltar.

Oreo

Galaxy

If the current governments don't police their borders, address the issues, then the populations will vote for governments that will. That is the choice really.

And then people look on in amazement when a right wing government gets into power.

Immigration figures rose under 13/14 years of the Conservative government and have fallen over the past couple of years under the Labour government- just saying.

But there's more to governing the UK than border control though I appreciate others may disagree.

Some people will vote on immigration figures/issue alone or as one of their biggest priorities that is their right. Other voters will not vote solely on immigration figures/issue alone and may have differing and higher priorities than immigration figures/issue. that is also their right. The part that secures the majority of votes cast at the next GE will be in government- thats a fact, right or left.

Even if we had zero immigration the UK would still be dealing with the challenges of growth, geopolitical tensions, the economy, dealing with Trump, dealing with Putin, defence, climate change etc etc. I'm therefore in the latter camp.

If any party seeks to implement a UK ICE type approach to controlling borders at huge £financial costs, with all the divisiveness and civil unrest that is likely to ensue as it has in the US, with the attendant reversal of long fought for human rights as enshrined in ECHR, that party would not win my vote.

Time will tell. If a right wing populist party gets into power I will not be amazed I would be saddened.

It doesn’t matter what we call it, it will feel like an invasion to the locals, so many arriving quickly and looting in some cases and being hostile.

The videos being posted online are scary.

There is also a video of a Spanish women being interviewed by one of the Spanish News Channels, the migrants are surrounding them and are openly hostile.

MT62

You go first greyfur

It would be a drop in the Ocean what you could do for them.

You go first greyfur

Galaxy

I have seen a number of the residents use that term, I assume they are permitted to do that.

They probably feel like they have

MT62

M0nica

and we think we have problems!!!!

We have!!!

We have, and so have very many countries, tho most are larger countries than ours.
I see that even in South Africa black SA’s are in revolt over all the other black African migrants and are literally driving them out.
The indigenous population of any country will only take so much.

As everyone could have guessed, many of the 50 000 illegal migrants who crossed into Ceuta and Melilla yesterday spent the night by breaking into homes, looting stores and clashing with the Spanish police (copied from a post on X)

There's a video of them rampaging through the town but I don't know how to post it.

Let's call it what it is an invasion.

MT62

greyfur

if I could do something, I would

Do you have any ideas at all?

I have plenty of ideas but not what you have probably got in mind!

No problem, let's share.

Galaxy

If the current governments don't police their borders, address the issues, then the populations will vote for governments that will. That is the choice really.

And then people look on in amazement when a right wing government gets into power.

According to TVE # 1, The Spanish Military has joined in to send back those arrivals.

There wire fence border walls, for lack of a better way to describe the shanty horrendous way in which Ceuta has put a wall to prevent Moroccans from entering. Truly a pathetic measure.

If you can, take a look at TVE-1 Spain.

M0nica

and we think we have problems!!!!

We have!!!

I agree with your % David re votes last GE.

greyfur

*if I could do something, I would*

Do you have any ideas at all?

I have plenty of ideas but not what you have probably got in mind!