49,000 migrants invade Spanish enclave in 24 hours

MartavTaurus

I've heard water cannons are a good deterrent against pirates. Just position a few vessels offshore to shoot out strong jets of water.

State sponsored murder. I don’t think it’s a joking matter - but maybe you’re serious?

I've heard water cannons are a good deterrent against pirates. Just position a few vessels offshore to shoot out strong jets of water.

fancythat

It is the legal situation I have been wondering about.

I think there’s an interaction between the legal position and the weather/tidal/shipping conditions in the Channel. The latter I understand underpins the legal position because it would be a danger to life- and not just the lives of the migrants. In other words a barrier would be a danger and therefore illegal under Maritme law.

Well then it won't be a problem

Oreo

People laughed at the ‘reds under the bed’ stuff years ago and will equally laugh in the future about the fearful gasping about the Far Right in the UK.

I think your analogy is completely out.

It isn't fascists who are today's reds under the beds, it is immigrants.

No-one on here is starting multiple threads about 'the far right' (fascists). But immigrants pop up with great frequency. The fascist trope of 'othering' a discrete section of humanity is working beautifully...

It is the legal situation I have been wondering about.

fancythat

I understand that. But is the principle a do-able one?

Not as I understand it - apart from the legal situation, the two bodies of water experience different weather and have different depths, widths , shipping etc

I understand that. But is the principle a do-able one?

fancythat

^They have an inflatable barrier installed across the coastline to stop boats, jet skies etc. IMO we should have the same, and do the same^

I dont understand why we cannot.
Not that that might be the best way to do things.

Is it because the Moroccans are not from an unsafe Country?

The situation in the Strait of Gibraltar and the Channel are very very different. We really could not install an inflatable barrier.

They have an inflatable barrier installed across the coastline to stop boats, jet skies etc. IMO we should have the same, and do the same

I dont understand why we cannot.
Not that that might be the best way to do things.

Is it because the Moroccans are not from an unsafe Country?

nanna8

No one I know here talks about far right - they do online, though. Especially the British. Just saying. I think it is meant as an insult or a way of shutting people up. Not sure. I just think it is rude and so is the lovey leftie description. Equally bad.

I've seen Sky News programmes and articles about nationwide Australia protests on immigration with clashes between far right and far left protestors. Plus the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation, equivalent to UK MI5, is flagging regular warnings about nationalist and racist violent extremism as a major security concern and is focussing on the growing visibility of far right nationalist groups and influence of populist parties in Australia over concern for housing, immigration and social cohesion.

Neo-Nazi and extremist groups in Australia like the Nation Socialist Network have drawn heavy media and public condemnation. And Australia's One Nation party is getting significant media coverage.

Just recently our media reported that Pauline Hanson, the Australian One Nation leader, met far right activist Tommy Robinson when she was an an EU tour and she was accused of talking Australia down and associating with extremist figures.

I appreciate no one you know nanna8 talks about the far right in Australia, but have Sky News, UK media and the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation got their facts wrong?

Is the left really left though? Or just pretending to be?
I'm reading about many people in one area, many of whom marched previously in defense of immigrants and welcomed them. Then the 'boat people' started being put into accommodation in their area. Mass protests against it from the formerly welcoming population followed. Same in one village where asylum seekers were being transferred to an ex army barracks. There many villagers were going to leave the UK! It's definitely a 'not in my back yard' but welcome somewhere else.
Spain is deporting most of the Moroccans now and many have left voluntarily. They have an inflatable barrier installed across the coastline to stop boats, jet skies etc. IMO we should have the same, and do the same
If you're defending the illegal immigrants think if you would really welcome them en mass in your street or nearby area.

Thanks to recent media attention Oreo, complicity has been a big elephant in the room until recent revelations.

They may well be attempting to Casdon but are very unlikely to succeed.

nanna8

No one I know here talks about far right - they do online, though. Especially the British. Just saying. I think it is meant as an insult or a way of shutting people up. Not sure. I just think it is rude and so is the lovey leftie description. Equally bad.

Are other countries actively attempting to interfere in the politics of Australia nanna8? The evidence of that happening in the UK, and in Europe is mounting, which is why there is so much discussion here, not just online but in the news frequently too? I don’t buy into Gransnetters calling each other far right, but there is a threat to our democracy here, which is hard for people to acknowledge.

There is a far left and a far right but people in the UK have so far seen them off ( Corbyn and friends) and hopefully always will do.
It’s possible but very improbable that Reform will ever be able to form a government and even less likely now that we have Andy Burnham as PM.
Seeing Far Right everywhere is worry for the sake of it.

I don't know. I am an open lefty to others, and no doubt would be labelled woke except that definition is far to worn out to be of any real use.

But inside we are just ourselves with a variety of views that transcend labels: however in political discussions one has to put people in groupings or definitions. It is getting more oppositional and direct: there is a "Far right" and I don't think politicians in that category would deny that they are.

I think its probable that people who don't know the Left well generalise far too much and assume POV that are not actually there: witness the GN descriptions of someone or politician as "communist" when they havent a clue what it really really means. (But this hasn't happened lately)

Almost certainly people in the Conservative Party have a wide range of view when it comes down to it, we've witnessed its changes just as there have been on the left: But Reform and Restore have a set off clear cut views on certain issues that allow a label. Just as calling people "soft left" probably is a reasonable useful category. (As opposed to hard left as in SWP).

It’s time Schengen was quietly put to one side.Things have changed massively since then.

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I would urge people to listen to Chief Minister of Gibraltar, Fabian Picardo’s level-headed interview with Times Radio yesterday.

x.com/FabianPicardo/status/2083578904229388410

I see he’s invited Zia Yusuf for a little chat about his stunt for GBNews.

Well worth a listen. And further evidence of the poor level of reporting so widespread in our media. Is it deliberate or are journalists, reporters and presenters just lazy?

nanna8

No one I know here talks about far right - they do online, though. Especially the British. Just saying. I think it is meant as an insult or a way of shutting people up. Not sure. I just think it is rude and so is the lovey leftie description. Equally bad.

You have it unerringly right nanna8 as you often do😃

The BBC News was reporting that the EU is having an emergency meeting this week to discuss Ceuta, and firming up EU borders.

Georgia Meloni, Far Right depending on one's definition, is not the only politician who fears the consequences of unfettered immigration. Weirdly, so does Denmark's, centre left premier, Mette Frederikesen, who has pursued a tough line and she has called on the EU over these latest crisis to "evaluate all options" including the possibility of suspending Schengen. A proposal echoed by Mari Rantanen, Finland's Interior Minister, Friedrick Mertz, the German Chancellor, told, Spain "it must regain control of the territory" Meanwhile Donald Tusk has taken special measures to strengthen his own country's borders with Belarus, who is not a member of the EU. Particularly as Poland has recorded as many as 370 first time asylum applications in 2026! Of course Poland has accommodated many Ukrainians, although culturally, they're not that different, a bit like Irish settling in England. Poland's vulnerability lies in their proximity to Russia. He, Tusk has advised that Poland has invested billions of euros and engaged thousands of soldiers, police officers and border guards and advises "Spain must follow our example if Schengen is to survive"

I would urge people to listen to Chief Minister of Gibraltar, Fabian Picardo’s level-headed interview with Times Radio yesterday.

x.com/FabianPicardo/status/2083578904229388410

I see he’s invited Zia Yusuf for a little chat about his stunt for GBNews.

No one I know here talks about far right - they do online, though. Especially the British. Just saying. I think it is meant as an insult or a way of shutting people up. Not sure. I just think it is rude and so is the lovey leftie description. Equally bad.

Oreo

Mamie

Oreo

People laughed at the ‘reds under the bed’ stuff years ago and will equally laugh in the future about the fearful gasping about the Far Right in the UK.

We can certainly laugh at the ridiculous "liberal woke" epithet, which nobody who uses it seems able to define.

Do you know anyone who uses it? I certainly don’t.

Certainly not in real life; do you know anyone who talks about the far right?
Plenty of it online though.