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Who's Controlling The Straits of Hormuz?

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Crumbly159 Mon 03-Aug-26 18:00:14

The Americans, the Iranians, the Martians?

Mr Trump changes his mind 1000 times and hour: he claims Iran 'begged' for a ceasefire, they say 'no we didn't', Oman is getting involved and the prices of everything - not least petrol - is going ever upwards.

Listening to LBC, at the weekend, the comment was made that the President is getting desperate to save face, starting a war he's lost control of and his Secretary of War's position is looking shaky.

Because the President is, of course, blameless.

Mojack26 Sun 09-Aug-26 13:58:28

Oreo Iran has behaved badly? Are you for real??? Trump started this war in case you have forgotten! Iran has a corrupt despicable regime but at end of day Trump started this and does not knowhow to finish it! He thought Iran would just roll over and look where that's got us!

Dreadwitch Sun 09-Aug-26 15:09:42

The Iranians as they always have. Trump will say anything to save face, he went into this war like he does everything else... With his arrogance that he will do what he set out to do. He ignored all the advice that he wouldn't succeed because, well it's Trump and of course he knows it all.

He will never win and no matter what lies he tells he will have no choice but to pull out and leave the world in a far more dangerous place than it was.

Chocolatelovinggran Sun 09-Aug-26 15:22:33

My reading of history leads me to conclude that when a country is bombed, it can encourage "bad behaviour" by the country under fire.
It's difficult to win hearts, minds, and encourage a regime change in a nation, by killing their people.

AGAA4 Sun 09-Aug-26 15:27:45

Trump has painted himself into a corner. He has nowhere else to go. He has tried threats and talks but Iran is not giving up.
Few agree with the Iranian regime but they did not start this war. They used the best resource available to them and closed the strait of Hormuz.
That Trump couldn't see that happening and refused advice shows how ignorant he is.
The US deserve better. Hopefully they are aware now and the results of his madness will show in the mid terms.

Wyllow3 Sun 09-Aug-26 15:29:29

It has the opposite affect doesn't it always has ...how to make more enemies of a dangerous more "underground" sort.
When you family member have been killed...or starved - ...

WithNobsOnIt Sun 09-Aug-26 15:30:51

What would these countries be like if they didn't have oil?

Wyllow3 Sun 09-Aug-26 15:35:05

Poor.
Not messed with?

Lesley60 Sun 09-Aug-26 15:44:56

When are the American people going to get rid of Trump I can’t believe he’s still in power causing death and destruction around the world, they impeached Clinton for less

petra Sun 09-Aug-26 15:52:45

I wonder how the Iranians view the defence pack formed by Saudi, Turkey and Pakistan.

www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/8/7/new-regional-order-pakistan-turkiye-saudi-arabia

petra Sun 09-Aug-26 15:56:57

Lesley60

When are the American people going to get rid of Trump I can’t believe he’s still in power causing death and destruction around the world, they impeached Clinton for less

The difference being Clinton didn’t have the money to buy the people who could get him out of trouble.

DiamondLily Sun 09-Aug-26 16:25:20

Iran, currently. And now Israel have publicly rejected Trump’s latest peace ‘deal’ with Gaza, and all that involves, then this will continue.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yw4lpe0yeo

DeeDe Sun 09-Aug-26 16:34:12

Probably be better if the Martians was.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 09-Aug-26 16:42:12

I think the current POTUS is beginning to realise that he is not as omnipotent as he has been told by those around him…

Oldnproud Sun 09-Aug-26 16:48:46

GrannyGravy13

I think the current POTUS is beginning to realise that he is not as omnipotent as he has been told by those around him…

I'm not sure he has that level of self awareness. In fact, im not sure he has any self-awareness whatsoever!

Whitewavemark2 Sun 09-Aug-26 16:49:47

Actually as he thinks he is😊, but never fear his self belief will not falter, because it is every one else’s fault.

AGAA4 Sun 09-Aug-26 16:53:09

Whitewavemark2

Actually as he thinks he is😊, but never fear his self belief will not falter, because it is every one else’s fault.

Yes!!

Skodadoda Sun 09-Aug-26 17:17:09

There’s an article in today's Sunday Times outlining oil- producing states in South America and Africa which could take up some of the strain being caused by the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. The author claims this could worry the Gulf producers.
I agree with pp on here; Trump is one of the most dangerous people on earth.

Chocolatelovinggran Sun 09-Aug-26 17:41:57

In answer to the original question, I'm pretty confident o

Chocolatelovinggran Sun 09-Aug-26 17:42:56

...( sorry)….in saying that I know who isn't controlling the Straits of Hormuz.

Iam64 Sun 09-Aug-26 19:28:15

Trump seems to me to be the biggest threat to world peace and stability. I’ve no time fir Putin or for the Iranian despots but I’m not convinced they are as much of a risk as Trump is

He’s emotionally unstable, narcissistic, seems to believe bullying sales type shark behaviour will succeed over diplomacy. Yet, there he is. In scary reality the. Most powerful man on earth

No desire to be ageist, I’m 77 which is an indicator of how long I’ve been here. Trump is around my age, the age of many gransnetters. I don’t expect I’m the only poster who doesn’t have quite the energy or clear memory we had say 13 years ago. I’d just retired from a job I loved despite the stresses, I’d planned to work two more years but RA put that plan on the impossibilities area.
I’m happy, enjoying retirement, relieved I no longer make Big Recommendations, some satisfaction about my professional life but - I absolutely believe we oldies step aside for tiunger colleagues who have more energy, better long term memories and analytical skills than people nearing their 80th
I could offer good supervision, even therapy to those doing work in my area. I’m relieved not to have the responsibility I had and younger colleagues have now

Apologies for the long wander. I’d be interested in the views of other gransnetters, the reason for my meander through personal issues if my firm belief if that Mr Trump’s age ought to rule him out, combine that with his personality (disorder) And and his presidency

AGAA4 Sun 09-Aug-26 19:39:08

I agree Iam64. Trump is too old at 80 to run the USA. I am a year younger and know I don't have the energy I once had.
There is a reason people retire usually before they are 80.
Trump is physically and mentally not fit to do this job.

M0nica Mon 10-Aug-26 09:33:22

At nearly 83, DH is still working, not in an office, not full time but as part of a team of engineering consultants. He works from home about 2 - 4 hours a week. He worked nearly full time for the first 5 years after he retired and then has gradually wound down. He stopped site visits at 70, He has months when there is no work and he obviously did not work when he was seriously ill. He is part of a team, so if he suddenly started producing bizarre reports or calculations, it would immediately be noticed.

I think age and fitness to work is a very variable thing. We continually hear reports that Trump's behaviour mirrors one specific form of dementia and there is a refusal to talk about medical problems he certainly has.

Looking around at friends, family and other older people I see. The older people are the more variable they are in health, stamina and mental acuity. I have had friends succumb to dementia in their early 70s, In his early 90s my DF still held key roles in three local groups. He wanted to resign but no one was prepared to take over from him.

I do think for roles in government or key public organisations, public, private and state, there should be age cut offs, say 80 with discrete medical and mental tests for those over 70 before appointing them to senior posts, and regular tests while in post.

As more people grow old more healthily, and there are fewer young people, older people are going to have to continue to play their part in life by working or volunteering, but there needs to be an acceptance that this will come with regular mental and physical monitoring.

Maremia Mon 10-Aug-26 11:24:30

The thing is though MOnica, Trump keeps 'acing' those cognitive tests. 😲

M0nica Mon 10-Aug-26 14:28:16

They are cognitive tests. I have done them - twice - and I 'aced' them. All that did was support the evidence that i had not had a stroke. It said nothing bout my intelligence or lack of it.

To be quite honest I do not believe Trump, unless he used a body double as Putin does. These tests required me to encode and decode data at speed, complete quite complex patterns and draw from memory as many words as possible beginning with one letter of the alphabet in a limited time. Trumps utterances suggest he has a very limited vocabulary. There were other tests as well. Tests of intelligence they are not. Tests of cognitive function they definitely are.

I would like Trump to do these tests in the presence of independent witnesses, to see if he is as good at them as he says he is.

foxie48 Mon 10-Aug-26 15:57:19

I don't think Trump had the natural intelligence or personality to be a good President when he was much younger and now he shows evidence of cognitive decline, he is even less suitable. His increasing disinhibition, inability to stick to task and constant ramblings in the middle of the night are IMO sufficient evidence of this.