Jason Arday found dead today.

There are other people involved in this chain of events that are white. In your view is it equal and fair to apply the same principle, i.e. i't is dangerous to absolve someone who is white of everything. That is a dangerous thing to do? And it would be cruel to that person?

Absolutely. Of course that would be equal and fair.

WWM2- yes I meant the long post and then found Rushbridger mentioned in a subsequent post and out 2 and 2 together 😊

Thank you WWM and others above. Yes, it is racism's unpleasant face, foxie.

When assessing a situation as you described above, its in not only significant what has been done, it is what was not done.

Ie, Cofnas, with his gross white supremacist views
Was not hounded even tho some of his views come straight out of the basis of 1930's Eugenics - which led to Hitler et al.

Master race, and so on.

LemonJam

Maremia

Thanks WhiteWave. A very detailed post.

Also thanks WWM2- do you have a reference for the author?

Do you mean the long post?

If so it’s Rushbridger. Otherwise, which one?

Arday was not absolved he was hounded. Of course the press investigate people at the centre of a media storm . Many people accept his view and that of his loved ones that JA was subjected to trial by media with race , ethnicity at its core

Galaxy’s point about Andrew M Windsor and Mandelson is well made - well imo as I’d been about to make a similar point. They’re very dodgy individuals. The press reported on their wrong doings recently. Not at the time so much

fancythat

Lets say colour was involved.

Then lets not absolve someone of colour of everything.
That is a dangerous thing to do.
And as I see it, cruel to the person themselves.

Good grief.

Arday as a black person, certainly had not been "absolved of everything* by journalists pursuing the story prior to his death. To the contrary- journalists sought out primary school students from his primary school- under 11 and found one from the year below, over 30 years ago, who was in a different class, to provide comment, from memory, whether they recalled Arday had verbal skills and then print that child's 30 year old memory.

I see nothing Arday has been absolved of as a result of the colour of his skin.

There are other people involved in this chain of events that are white. In your view is it equal and fair to apply the same principle, i.e. i't is dangerous to absolve someone who is white of everything. That is a dangerous thing to do? And it would be cruel to that person?

Whitewavemark2

Vintagewhine

The irony is that if Cambridge had robust recruitment and selection procedures neither Cofnas nor Arday would have been employed. One held discredited racist opinions and there was published evidence of this and if the allegations of plagiarism are upheld, Arday was insufficiently qualified and had put false claims on his CV. No one is turning Arday into a hero the issue is the way his transgressions have been publicised and the degree of personal scrutiny he received that affected him to the extent he no longer saw a future for himself. How desperately sad and unnecessary, how dreadful for his family and friends. Did Cofnas suffer the say degree of scrutiny when he was dismissed by Cambridge? No. And that is how it should it have been for Arday but Cofnas ensured it wasn't. That is why he is relevant to this thread.

Exactly.

Exactly- well summarised.

Whitewavemark2

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

But we all knew what you meant iam64 😊

We did, I’m sure.

I wasn’t trying to be snidey. I hope Iam wasn’t offended.

I know I was only teasing😊.

What did you think of the Rushbridger article? If you can be bothered to read it!

still reading through thread- Rusbridger- got it 👍

Maremia

Thanks WhiteWave. A very detailed post.

Also thanks WWM2- do you have a reference for the author?

Maremia It's what a lot of people suspect including the family of Arday.

Well , you know what I suspect, foxie48.

The safety net could/should be supplied by the people with influence in his/her domain.
Not silence.
There have been steps reported to support one of those men.
Galaxy

What I struggle to understand is why some complain when they think that someone has received more favourable treatment because of their colour but are perfectly content when someone receives more unfavourable treatment because of their colour. Not wonderful English but hopefully you get my point. It's a conundrum isn't it or is it just racism showing it's unpleasant face?

I dont really know how you would have a safety net for people without censorship. It's fine to differ maremia.

I agree that reporting should be as fair and honest as it can.
I believe that there should also some sort of 'safety net' for any, yes including those two men, who are bearing the brunt of excessive publicity.
If we differ on that Galaxy, then so be it.

Im on my phone do typing is rubbish

galaxy you post is disengenuous to say the least.

There is a world of difference between proper invextigation a x reporting snd the feeding frenzy that continues apace

Oh ok! Misunderstood.

Yes, Iam64,

Vintagewhine this morning puts it very well.
Worth reading again.

Aargh JenniRen. Sorry again.

We really ought to be much more careful.

Until the report looking into the entire affair is published - NOTHING is certain.

No one can say with confidence what actually happened with Jarday.

Sorry Jennifer I was answering Maremia, my bad.

And where do you go with that, what if something terrible ( god forbid) happens to mandelsson or even Prince andrew - both subject to intense media speculation and both who I consider terrible men. We cant run society not reporting on incidents because what if?

That post was to Galaxy who questioned mine.

Sorry?
Do you not believe students should have reported Arday? They were failed and that could have affected their futures.