Wrong side driving social media stunt

As it should be!

No, I don't - can't forgive nor forget those who celebrated taking those police lives ViceVersa

Glad he did, entirely appropriate. Thanks for the info Old Frill

Terribull - I've only read a report of one funeral mass in Ireland, Jeremy O’Brien's, the priest certainly raised that the boys had done wrong and all victims were mentioned with sorrow.

I think the best thing the families of the young men could do is to hold quiet unobtrusive funerals, but no doubt they won't, thus far much of the aftermath seems to be a defiant showing off. Bearing in mind I believe some of the deceased are catholic, or possibly from other Christian denominations they might focus on the "Thou Shall Not Kill" which still stands.I know much of these services are merely a lip service, often highly over the top as if they're celebrating the lives of heroes. I'd like to think there would be some brave priests who during their address to the congregation could ask them to reflect on the recklessness that has taken the lives of others.

The Cleveland horrific crash has stunned many up here in the north east. No one can ever comprehend this awful incident and outcome. The police do a great job and my thoughts are with the families of the two police officers who never returned home. To give your life up for any profession is beyond comprehension.

I am also sparing a thought for the community who will have lived in misery alongside these young men.

Wyllow3

I agree with you Magenta.
What they did was horrific, no doubt, careless disregard for their and others lives, something so so wrong we are left angry: but I can never celebrate so many deaths and so much pain and damage to families.

I don't think anyone on here is 'celebrating' their deaths - but their families and friends are the ones openly celebrating the deaths of the two police officers, so I make no apologies for the fact that I won't be sparing a thought for them.

Wyllow3

I agree with you Magenta.
What they did was horrific, no doubt, careless disregard for their and others lives, something so so wrong we are left angry: but I can never celebrate so many deaths and so much pain and damage to families.

It's the families that are openly calling for very public celebrations of the lives of these thugs that is one reason sympathy for the families is so sparse.

Another is the growing public claims by family and friends that the police were responsible for the deaths.

I'm certainly not celebrating the deaths of anyone and l don't think this purposely emotive phrase is warranted

...but I can never celebrate so many deaths and so much pain and damage to families.

It's not a question of celebrating, but please don't expect people to mourn their deaths.
Whatever happened to them was of their own doing. There is no-one else to blame.

The tragedy is their idiotic behaviour has also killed two fine citizens: both serving Police officers, one a former teacher and one a former soldier.

They’re violent and criminal low lives who have no regard whatsoever for the rest of society so are no loss.

I agree with you Magenta.
What they did was horrific, no doubt, careless disregard for their and others lives, something so so wrong we are left angry: but I can never celebrate so many deaths and so much pain and damage to families.

Magenta8

I find it quite disturbing that some GNs take the "Good riddance, I shan't be shedding any tears" attitude to the deaths of these young men.

We seem to be a warm hearted, sympathetic and supportive lot most of the time but it also seems that a hard nosed and callous element creeps in at times.

I have never, and will never be warmhearted , sympathetic and supportive towards feckless murderers and organised criminal gangs.

3 of the Irish boys were said to be from the traveller community, I've seen nothing to confirm the English young men were.

I really don't understand the relevance of travellers to the thread.

eazybee

And just to add they were both, with other members of their families were given much support from Behaviour Support, Special needs support, working with Romany families Support, Social workers et al.

Eazybee, I’m not looking to disagree with you. I’ll google but so far haven’t seen media reports that these young men and their families were given the kind of support you set out. I’ve seen hints of some of the families having Irish traveller heritage. My understanding is that Romany culture differs significantly from that of the Irish traveller culture.
My town has a settled site, as do many others. Many families of Irish traveller heritage are settled in council housing, often in areas that in earlier days were stopping off places for Irish travellers who did farm work, sharpened knives n scissors and sold wooden pegs. As travelling became increasingly difficult many were given council housing. They travel using caravans between June and September.
I stress, in no way am I excusing the behaviour of these five. I e just read that their families are blaming the police, saying the police should have abandoned the chase. Lost for words I could print here

Five more arrested.

These people are targeting police officers forcing them to take part in high speed chases which in this case ended tragically.
Also taking them away from people with a genuine need.
Those who call the police ACAB are mostly criminals who don't want anyone to interfere in their illegal lives.

And just to add they were both, with other members of their families were given much support from Behaviour Support, Special needs support, working with Romany families Support, Social workers et al.

A charming phrase.
Lawlessness enshrined.
Your rules are not our rules.
So when you attempt to steal a pensioner's old car, wrecking it in the process, and are arrested and let off with a caution, you return to the house again and pour white gloss paint over the newer model bought to replace it, secure in the alibi provided by family members that you were twenty miles away. But fingerprints in the white gloss paint betrayed him.

Or white gloss paint poured through the letterbox of the shop assistant who reported another family member to the police during an organised shop lifting heft in the local shop. To be fair, he did warn her, I know where you live, but she still called the police. He was caught on CCTV and given a prison sentence, so someone else completed his revenge for him.
A loving community.

I think "celebrating the life" of someone who caused the deaths of others is beyond disrespectful. To do so in close proximity to the incident, let of balloons, flares, fireworks. Zoom around on illegal bikes, scooters, deface buildings with RIP graffiti whilst participating in other illegal activities - drinking, drug taking and smoking weed is beyond most normal people's tolerance.

There are "open invitations" posted all over social media to these events.

If the families had any consideration for the police officers, or the wider community they would observe a low key, respectful, private gathering.

Magenta8

While I think that environmentally toxic balloons and flares are an awful way to honour the dead, I can find no evidence that the families involved are "Celebrating the death of the police officers."

Admittedly I did not jump any paywalls as it seems that it is mainly the tabloids and the 'Telegraph' reporting on this.

Of course I may be missing something. Is there any concrete evidence that the bereaved families of the boys are actually rejoicing in the deaths of the officers?

I've seen posts from the families and friends on various social media sites, which are basically saying that the police brought it on themselves and deserved to die because all police are corrupt and can't be trusted. 'ACAB' - if you don't know what that means, google it - features in a number of the posts. There's more - but that sums it up.

While I think that environmentally toxic balloons and flares are an awful way to honour the dead, I can find no evidence that the families involved are "Celebrating the death of the police officers."

Admittedly I did not jump any paywalls as it seems that it is mainly the tabloids and the 'Telegraph' reporting on this.

Of course I may be missing something. Is there any concrete evidence that the bereaved families of the boys are actually rejoicing in the deaths of the officers?

The pictures of 'friends and families' capering about with flares and balloons says it all.

I think most of us on here would feel the same, Magenta8 - but instead, these families and 'friends' seem to almost be revelling in the deaths of the police officers.

ViceVersa

Magenta8

I find it quite disturbing that some GNs take the "Good riddance, I shan't be shedding any tears" attitude to the deaths of these young men.

We seem to be a warm hearted, sympathetic and supportive lot most of the time but it also seems that a hard nosed and callous element creeps in at times.

Guilty as charged, and if that makes me 'hard-nosed or callous' then so be it. I make no apologies for not having an ounce of sympathy for these idiots (and believe me, that's not the word I want to use) or their family and followers, many of whom are openly glorying in the deaths of the two police officers on their social media accounts. I will reserve my sympathies for those two men and their friends and families.

Good for you!

My sympathy for the bereaved families does not in any way detract from my profound sympathy for the families of the police officers, as I expressed in an earlier post. I personally would be heartbroken were I related to any of the people who lost their lives in this horrific incident.

TerriBull

My thoughts are regardless of race, religion, ethnicity most ordinary people want to live alongside their fellow human being in peace. If sub cultures that subvert the law are allowed to flourish and aren't robustly tackled then it creates divisions. These tearaways were anarchic, possibly due to how they were raised or sucked in by the sort of macho aimlessness of peers, that young men in particular are susceptible to, who knows! Their deaths should not be glorified. The gatherings doing so need to be banned.

I agree.

If the travelling community has descended on areas around here, as they have on several occasions, then they bring intimidation and crime with them. Public spaces become no-go areas.
The authorities seem hesitant to deal with them for fear of discrimination. The ones who arrive here are not generally the Roma community but Irish Travellers.

Their deaths were needless, their families must feel sad but they should not be glorified. I hope others might learn from them.

The deaths of the two young police officers is utterly tragic and I feel for their families.