Wrong side driving social media stunt

I do too eazybee, and it’s a very different experience. A specific site was provided, the travellers were involved in the development of it, there are a fixed number of spaces available, which they manage, the children attend school regularly, and there is minimal trouble in the community.

petra

TerryBull
You ask how did these burgeoning Kamikaze get away with it.
One word: cuts,
The police.
Social workers.
Youth centres.
Youth workers.
Plus the experience of many ex gang members who wanted to help and educate these kids but weren’t given money to rent premises.
Thank you George Osborne and all who came after him for the next 14 years. 🤬

Spot on. After the recent case of Simon Levy, Sir Mark Rowley made a statement as the Met Police had come under fire for serious errors in handling this case and he blamed the huge cuts to policing.

I have personal experience of just such a settlement close by.

The poor behaviour, 'your rules are not our rules' attitude does not disappear once settled. Spasmodic attendance at school, whole terms missed for trips to India, then extra schooling funded from school budget for time missed; living in substandard accommodation when pregnant to gain social housing, then unused for large parts of the year; refusal to abide by local planning rules plus unshakeable alibis from the community when petty crimes committed. Not an asset to the neighbourhood.

Magenta8

I find it quite disturbing that some GNs take the "Good riddance, I shan't be shedding any tears" attitude to the deaths of these young men.

We seem to be a warm hearted, sympathetic and supportive lot most of the time but it also seems that a hard nosed and callous element creeps in at times.

Guilty as charged, and if that makes me 'hard-nosed or callous' then so be it. I make no apologies for not having an ounce of sympathy for these idiots (and believe me, that's not the word I want to use) or their family and followers, many of whom are openly glorying in the deaths of the two police officers on their social media accounts. I will reserve my sympathies for those two men and their friends and families.

TerryBull
You ask how did these burgeoning Kamikaze get away with it.
One word: cuts,
The police.
Social workers.
Youth centres.
Youth workers.
Plus the experience of many ex gang members who wanted to help and educate these kids but weren’t given money to rent premises.
Thank you George Osborne and all who came after him for the next 14 years. 🤬

My thoughts are regardless of race, religion, ethnicity most ordinary people want to live alongside their fellow human being in peace. If sub cultures that subvert the law are allowed to flourish and aren't robustly tackled then it creates divisions. These tearaways were anarchic, possibly due to how they were raised or sucked in by the sort of macho aimlessness of peers, that young men in particular are susceptible to, who knows! Their deaths should not be glorified. The gatherings doing so need to be banned.

Surely that is a good thing eazybee. Once there is a settled site the incursions on public spaces stop, and the local police can build a relationship with the local traveller site. We’ve got one, and it works well, the trouble is far less than it was when there were invasions of car parks etc.

Angela Rayner has 'softened ' rules to allow more sites to be made available for these 'travelling' communities, by preventing local councils from blocking them.
Subculture is an accurate description.

Hope that the young men who lost their lives are not feted in any way by the media! We often hear afterwards that they were “ lovely lads who were kind “ etc
Well I know better as a teacher of some who met their deaths in road accidents caused by their lack of responsibility or respect! They were nasty, selfish , untamed young men brought up to disrespect anything to do with discipline but I couldn’t voice the truth as many in Teeside would like to do !
As the daughter of a police office I know where my loyalties lie !

Jaxjacky

Earlier this evening, flares, rockets and balloons near to the crash site set off/released by masked youths and families.
Unbelievable.

A sub culture of which we have no comprehension.

I can imagine Galaxy. It's too highly charged a situation to expect rationality. Who can mourn such deaths in the wider law abiding society, they did it to their selves.

MT62

Saddest thing I saw on YouTube, was an American traffic police documentary.
Young man was pulled over for speeding. Turns out the young man had borrowed his father’s high powered sports car to take out a first date.
Cop was debating whether or not to give him a ticket, in the end he gave the lad a lecture on the dangers of speeding.
Twenty minutes later call comes over the radio, there had been a RTA- you can just see him running in a panic towards the car, T - boned under an articulated lorry.
Both occupants decapitated.
He stood & cried as he realised it was the vehicle he had pulled up earlier.
I think they should show these videos in schools.
Might put them off driving like loons.

There are films like this shown in schools in my area. Before I retired I was a learning support assisttsnt in a secondary school and I accompanied a group of 6th formers to see a production at a nearby theatre. The production was aimed at 6th formers as this is the age that young people can legally learn to drive. Unfortunately many of the irresponsible youngsters driving dangerously are younger and have not passed their driving test, or have already been disqualified!
The educational presentation was very good, and quite hard hitting but probably won't reach the audience that need to see it. Additionally the irresponsible in the community will shrug it off. The police come into schools and talk about stuff like 'sexting' and online inappropriate behaviour, pointing out that students can be prosecuted for posting sexual materials of under 18s. Many of the young boys (Year9) came out saying "That's rubbish! You can't be done for that!" I pointed out to them that they definitely could be prosecuted, but I suspect my comments fell on many deaf ears!

You should see what the rest of Middlesborough are saying, the decent people who have to live alongside these people daily know what harm they cause.

Magenta8

I find it quite disturbing that some GNs take the "Good riddance, I shan't be shedding any tears" attitude to the deaths of these young men.

We seem to be a warm hearted, sympathetic and supportive lot most of the time but it also seems that a hard nosed and callous element creeps in at times.

I won't say good riddance, but the fact that their followers are positively gloating with the balloon fiasco in the face of the deaths of the police officers. Innocent men who they took to their deaths with them, is enough to make anyone feel not only empathy towards those lives cut short taken from parents, wives and children, but anger too! There's so often a bit of ourselves who might place our own loved ones in that scenario. We are also asking why were they, these burgeoning kamikazes, without a cause other than playing to their own inflated egos, were allowed to get away with their crime ridden lives, still so young to go on to what amounts to actual murder, in something not dissimilar to suicide missions.

Emotions such as good riddance could be deemed both disturbing and understandable. How would we feel if one of those police offers were a son of ours. People can't always be expected to turn the other cheek in such scenarios especially when they, the perpetrators have inflicted an enormous amount of misery.

I think for me it is because 'kindness' is causing endless harm to people including those groups that people say they care about.

Magenta - Many including me have taken this attitude because 2 police officers have lost their young lives doing their job and 2 families will never be the same again. Likewise in Ireland a couple of weeks ago a family were critically injured on the way to the airport by a similar stunt. A few years ago PC Harper was killed 3 weeks after his wedding by a group who have shown no remorse for their dangerous driving. Gathering at balloon releases shows how much these criminals don't care. So to be honest I have no sympathy for the scum causing these hideous crimes, just heartbreaking sympathy for the victims.

I find it quite disturbing that some GNs take the "Good riddance, I shan't be shedding any tears" attitude to the deaths of these young men.

We seem to be a warm hearted, sympathetic and supportive lot most of the time but it also seems that a hard nosed and callous element creeps in at times.

One person has been charged and 11 others arrested. BBC news this morning.

Saddest thing I saw on YouTube, was an American traffic police documentary.
Young man was pulled over for speeding. Turns out the young man had borrowed his father’s high powered sports car to take out a first date.
Cop was debating whether or not to give him a ticket, in the end he gave the lad a lecture on the dangers of speeding.
Twenty minutes later call comes over the radio, there had been a RTA- you can just see him running in a panic towards the car, T - boned under an articulated lorry.
Both occupants decapitated.
He stood & cried as he realised it was the vehicle he had pulled up earlier.
I think they should show these videos in schools.
Might put them off driving like loons.

I think those are two separate issues though.
Glorifying dangerous stunts is something social media allows, and it does need to be banned before more copycat young people lose their lives or kill others.
This wasn’t a social media stunt, and criminal behaviour of this kind deserves punishment.

On BBC News last night they said 12 people, ranging from a 19 year old to a 61 year old, have been arrested in connection with this incident with a link to organised crime.
4 of the 5 boys killed all had police records with all mentioning offences against the Police.
In view of the type of families these boys came from and the criminal activities they were involved in at such young ages and a total disregard for the Police, I daresay the fireworks and balloons are seen as some sort of celebration that 2 officers were killed.

A government saying let's regulate tik tok is so much easier than saying, these young men should have been in prison, or the fact that many communities have to tolerate this level of criminality, disorder.

The English incident is far greater than filming for TikTok, the police have consistently said that this incident was not being filmed.

It's anarchistic organised crime recruiting/influencing young people knowing there is ineffective policing and minimal punishments.

Theft, drugs, guns, assaulting police officers and the public. I'd hazard a guess it's apparent in every city in the UK to a greater or lesser extent. Oh and they do know exactly what they're doing, even if fuelled by drugs.

I think they do realise what they have done, they simply do not care. These are feral families, no intention of changing and happy to teach the next generation to live just as they do - loutish, loud and criminal. They get validated by the mobs that hero worship them. Low life.

These vigils have made me so angry. It proves they have no respect, no remorse and don't realise what they have done. Disgusting behaviour. Those poor police officers and their families.