Principality of Piddington

All hail as well to the upstanding citizens of Piddington who doxxed that mixed race family?

As you can see.... I've posted on the wrong thread 🤣

I don't think doxxed is the right terminology here Maremia.

Think it's the term used when people give out addresses, usually on the internet, with malicious intent.
There are plans to make it illegal.

And yes, when there are multiple Threads, that keep rising and sinking, so easy to post on the wrong one.

Maremia

Think it's the term used when people give out addresses, usually on the internet, with malicious intent.
There are plans to make it illegal.

You are completely correct! It is called “doxxing”

Maremia

Don't care if they are far right thugs or far left thugs.
If the justice system finds them guilty of assault, then they are convicted thugs.
Good luck with calling out the justice system. 😃

👍👍👍

Maremia

All hail as well to the upstanding citizens of Piddington who doxxed that mixed race family?

Wasn't it one citizen who leaked the information, at least that's what I read? If so it's a bit unfair to tarnish all of them.

Very unfair to that family, who were local residents.

Not one person has commented on my post from earlier today, that Cherwell in Oxfordshire, the subject of the Piddington protest, until now, has taken so few asylum seekers.

According to Right Move, the average house price in Piddington (Cherwell) over the last year was £577,000.

Proportionately, second only to Glasgow, Hyndburn in Lancashire takes the highest number of asylum seekers.

Average house price in Accrington (Hyndburn) last year was £154,000.

No prizes for guessing which area accommodates most asylum seekers per 10,000 of population.

Hyndburn accommodates 50 people per 10,000 of population with a total of 426. Cherwell accommodates just 6 per 10,000 with a total of 106.

You can see this pattern throughout the UK. The only outliers are where asylum seekers are accommodated in military barracks in middle-class areas, Wethersfield average house price £440,000 and Crowborough £470,000 and now the proposed MOD Bicester site.

• If asylum seekers are accommodated in hotels, people protest.

• If asylum seekers are accommodated in family houses or HMOs, people protest.

• If asylum seekers are accommodated in military barracks in middle class areas, people protest.

We can’t just stop people coming as they have a right to claim asylum and there is no legal way to do so from outside the UK.

Even Reform’s new Head of Policy has admitted that it would take a full five year term of government to find a resolution - not the internationally illegal Operation Fortress the party announced a few weeks ago.

There are 15 asylum claims for every 10,000 of UK population compared to 18 claims for every 10,000 of population across the EU so the UK does not receive proportionately more claims.

Is it possible on this forum to have a sensible discussion about the best policy for accommodating asylum seekers fairly across the UK until such time as their claims are settled?

Thank you for both posts Graphite. I have been busy all day so haven't seen all the threads.
It is fairer for all areas to share the burden of housing asylum seekers. Poorer northern areas have had many of them so far.
Piddington don't want them so are asking for somewhere else to take them. Fair? I don't think so.

Thank you for your posts, Graphite, I think it’s entirely possible to have a sensible discussion about housing AS, until such time as their claim is processed.

But I’m afraid for some, their only view is “they shouldn’t be here” and no solution will suit them.

Whilst it could/should be fairer to accommodate asylum seekers across the UK, Graphite, until their claims are settled. Realistically I don't think it is doable, despite there being proportionately less claims in the UK than in Europe per 10,000.
I think AS are generally safer in larger towns/cities. And larger communities can generally assimilate AS, without feeling as threatened by perceived personal safety concerns, which have gained momentum.
I think for smaller communities it would be less threatening if the AS intake was proportionate to their size and population.
I would like to see smaller groups, even in towns and cities to be accommodated over a broader area of the UK.
I can't think of a solution that would satisfy /appease all.
But I do think different ideas and solutions should be considered.

Thank you all for replying.

The problem with renting to provide supported housing would be the sheer cost in more expensive parts of the country - which is why AS are dispersed predominantly to the NW and NE where housing is less expensive.

One of the oft heard criticism is of young men with nothing to do hanging around “menacingly” although that’s subjective and highly exaggerated imo. The leader of the county council here claims AS are being “menacing” when all they are doing is gathering waiting for the mini-bus to take them back to camp.

One answer to that would be to provide work. This had come up before. Prisoners work. These men are not prisoners but I don’t see why supervised work for those in barracks couldn’t be organised.

I really hope that the government doesn’t back down over this. Oxfordshire needs to take its fair share of asylum seekers. MOD Bicester is meant primarily to be a self-contained facility.

I’m hearing from people who know the area, saying that older residents weren’t happy either when MOD Bicester had a larger military presence there.

From a Cherwell District Council document 2007. The Defence Storage and Distribution Agency (DSDA) employs around 2600 personnel at MOD Bicester Garrison of whom 1100 are military staff and 1500 civilians.

That ties with what the the women who has now been doxed, said in her interview with Victoria Derbyshire. She said, most people in Piddington would be concerned about 1200 men from anywhere being based on the edge of our village, scale being the main concern. That sounds very much like a nod back to past tensions with the military.

It’s hypothetical but I would be interested to know whether the villagers would be happy with say a development of social housing, which we desperately need in this country. The site to be developed is 10 hectares, within the northern part of a 50 hectare wider site. That’s 25 out of 125 acres. A housing developer would squeeze 375 houses onto 25 acres, potential accommodating 1,500 with many more to come if the other 100 acres were developed.

That’s what has happened in many parts of the country where former villages have become large housing estates or even towns.

I’ve been looking a little at the history of lost villages. There was Imber on Wiltshire where 150 people were evicted to provide an exercise area fortroops preparing for D Day and has been abandoned ever since. Similarly Tyneham, near Lulworth in Dorset is a ghost village abandoned in 1943when the MoD commandeered it for military training.

Piddington has a total adult population of 268. Around 60% are over retirement age. It can’t be an easy place to live with no shop, no post office, no cafe, no pub, no doctors surgery, no paths or cycleways, the nearest bus stop a couple of km alway outside HMP Bullingdon offering an infrequent service. What do you do when you want a pint of milk or a loaf of bread or a daily paper? I wonder just how many people struggle with day-to-day living and would rather be living in Bicester, Thame, Aylesbury or Oxford?

If I were being radical I’d say the whole area is ripe for housing development with associated infrastructure. I wonder which the villagers would prefer if that were a choice?

Catching up after a busy day. I’m joining others who thanked Graphite for her posts. I’m north west and know Accrington and Hydeburn as a result of work about 14 years ago. I live in what was a successful cotton , mining, engineering, manufacturing town which like so many northern towns struggling with unemployment, poor health in its deprived areas. Because rents are less than in the south east we have many asylum seekers. Local Facebook groups reflect a level of anxiety and worry about pressure on services and schools.

I hope the government can include places like Piddington. I recognise housing costs to be an issue, I’d welcome Graphite’s suggestion that its area is ripe for housing developments with associated infrastructure. Dare i add - especially if it reduced the applications to build on our few remaining fields here

Sorry Graphite, your posts are so detailed and useful, but I've just been dotting in and out.

Public perception; The BP overestimate how much of the country is covered in concrete. They guess, on average, that 47 percent of land is built on.
Actual residential buildings is between 1-1.4 percent of total land area.
Total built-on- area including all urban infrastructure ie commercial buildings, factories, roads etc is between 5-6percent.
The sheer cost of supported housing, in wealthier areas, with smaller groups of AS, could be offset by the astronomical cost of policing threatening/unpredictable protests.
Supervised work in large barracks would be an excellent way to occupy AS and they will have the opportunity to feel productive.
I do think MOD Bicester, being a self-contained facility, should be used.
I do understand the unease of those living in Piddington. However fears are always greater before change rather than after.

My point re the above stats on percentage of housing etc is... communities really do have to accept that more housing is needed in all areas.

Interesting comment on facebook today. Apparently one of the residents of Piddington is CEO of a charity called asylum welcome but is completely opposed to sending the men to the detention centre near the village. Also the local branch of the Stand Up To Racism has changed its slogan from ‘Refugees Welcome’ to ‘Refugees Welcome but no to the Bicester Asylum Camp’.

There is more but the article sums up that virtue signalling is easy until you are forced to put your money where your mouth is.

I know it can be hard to grasp but it is possoble to hold more two or more ideas in the brain concurrently.

Talking here about about people here Illegally, practically all young men, we don't know who they are no one does. Feel sorry for Piddibgton residents, instead of stopping the lot coming they are under threat. Those that want them house them, if you only have room for one that's ok. Then report back in a month.

It does sum it up Meandrogrog. Thanks for that.

Yes Graphite....the unfairness of the placing of AS is astounding.
I live in the next town to Accrington.
Look at the % in neighbouring towns. Blackburn Burnley Nelson all have similar figures.
They all have large immigrant populations too.
The feel of these towns is now so different. But I'm not complaining because it's not allowed. I'll just use my vote .
People in Oxfordshire take your share please.

The feel of these towns is now so different. But I'm not complaining because it's not allowed. I'll just use my vote .

And people used to wonder[will they still] why people want or vote for certain people.

To be fair about the towns mentioned, they have had legal immigrants for a long time. 50 years? Have they not?

Yes they have...but the look and feel of these towns now with the amount of immigrants and AS has changed too quickly.