Principality of Piddington

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sundowngirl

fancythat I totally understand where you are coming from. I also don’t have time or energy to read these long winded documents or the multiple paragraphs copied and pasted from ChatGPT

We know why there are coming to the UK - it’s the ‘pull factor’ even Macron agrees

In that case, it’s only reasonable to expect that others who have taken the time to do so will disagree with you on the basis of the facts they have gathered and you haven’t, then, isn’t it?

Cossy

Plevey08

I'm not keen on long documents either. Had too many when I was working.
I hope your grandson is okay.

Thank you x He’s “stable” 🩵

Good.

I would do what the government is doing now casdon and ensure people were placed into middle class villages. I think that will ensure things move pretty quickly.
I would stop calling everyone racist. I would be very clear to champion western values and not pretend they dont exist. I would look at what happens to some communities when demographic change is visited upon them, I would ask whether we actually have multiculturalism or rather have a range of monocultures living alongside each other ( I cant take the credit for that phrase). I would also wonder why if an idea was imposed on others by a progressive elite, why the 'ordinary people' should come up with a solution to a problem they didnt create.
I think it is a much bigger issue than asylum seekers, the concerns around that are a symptom so to speak. I am the daughter of an immigrant and to be honest this issue has zero impact on my life but I understand that isnt the case for others.

Casdon

It’s always going to be a risk that MoD facilities will be used, and people in Piddington must have been aware of that when they moved into their homes. I’m not unsympathetic, but as somebody who lives near a number of military bases myself, I know that an element of uncertainty about what that might mean goes with the territory.

How could they know it would ever be used to house migrants?
Especially people living there ten years or more!

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The planning documents explain why the site was chosen (as opposed to hotel accommodation which the public vehemently objects to):

The site forms part of a former Defence Storage and Distribution Centre east of Bicester, accessed from the B4011 and opposite HMP Bullingdon.

The use of the former MOD site at Bicester provides a more controlled and operationally resilient alternative that helps mitigate cohesion and public order risks. Unlike hotels located within, or immediately adjacent to, town centres and residential neighbourhoods, Bicester is a on an established military estate, with defined boundaries and gated access from B4011, enabling robust security management and controlled movement in and out of the site. Additionally, Bicester is to provide coordinated service provision and management and will subsequently reduce cumulative impacts on multiple communities from using hotels. Furthermore, the layout and infrastructure are designed for communal use unlike hotels which are not intended for sustained residential accommodation.

As I understand it, part of MOD Bicester is still operational as a military base housing 1 Regiment RLC, a regiment of the British Army's Royal Logistic Corps.

Genuine question. If you live or move to a village close to a military base and a prison for male offenders including a YOI, why is this latest plan so problematic?

Here is the link to the planning documents:

www.cherwell.gov.uk/info/118/communities/1404/site-a---bicester-garrison-home-office-proposals

Because they aren’t prisoners. They are free to come & go as they please.
I don’t know if there is a curfew in the evenings, or not.

I did suggest more police supervision but you want to live in a liberal democracy, thats not going to happen so we have to suffer the consequences of more harassment.

Because it was going to be in the past and only shelved by the new Tory government in 2010 as part of its austerity drive.

In June 2010, the newly appointed Immigration Minister, Damian Green, officially scrapped the project. The government deemed the facility "unaffordable under current plans”.

Under current plans. That doesn't mean forever.

Anyone who lived in Piddington before that would have known about it and anyone who has moved there since would surely have heard about it. When you move to new place you do your homework or have your solicitors do it.

As people don't want asylum seekers in hotels what's the alternative?

With the military still active on the site, it will be secure. Asylum seekers are not detained but they are still supervised. They will be bussed into nearby towns and cities during the day as they are from other military sites which are used for the same purpose.

AGAA4

Some towns have been used to accommodate asylum seekers and are full of HMOs. These are often towns where the population is not well off.
I don't know if crime figures are higher in these places.
The government decided that it was unfair to send asylum seekers to poorer towns and wealthier parts should share the burden.
I doubt if hundreds of asylum seekers will be bussed into Piddington. There would be nothing there for them. More likely if bussed anywhere to go to a larger town or city.
If they are over 4 miles away and in a secure setting I can't see how much Piddington will be affected.

Nothing there for them? There are woman! Won’t they be looking for a girlfriend, all these red blooded males?

MT62

Casdon

It’s always going to be a risk that MoD facilities will be used, and people in Piddington must have been aware of that when they moved into their homes. I’m not unsympathetic, but as somebody who lives near a number of military bases myself, I know that an element of uncertainty about what that might mean goes with the territory.

How could they know it would ever be used to house migrants?
Especially people living there ten years or more!

The whole point is that you have no idea what will be the required use, do you? Prisoners of war, undercover activities, troops, whatever.

Galaxy

I would do what the government is doing now casdon and ensure people were placed into middle class villages. I think that will ensure things move pretty quickly.
I would stop calling everyone racist. I would be very clear to champion western values and not pretend they dont exist. I would look at what happens to some communities when demographic change is visited upon them, I would ask whether we actually have multiculturalism or rather have a range of monocultures living alongside each other ( I cant take the credit for that phrase). I would also wonder why if an idea was imposed on others by a progressive elite, why the 'ordinary people' should come up with a solution to a problem they didnt create.
I think it is a much bigger issue than asylum seekers, the concerns around that are a symptom so to speak. I am the daughter of an immigrant and to be honest this issue has zero impact on my life but I understand that isnt the case for others.

I don’t disagree with any of your ideas, but I don’t think they would appease the people who have been primed to believe that it’s possible to turn off a tap and stop people entering the country immediately.

Nothing there for them? There are woman! Won’t they be looking for a girlfriend, all these red blooded males?

Have you looked at Piddington?

Asylum seekers housed in military barracks are not prisoners, they are not detained but sports and other facilities are provided on site to keep them occupied.

I can’t imagine why they would even want to go into Piddington. It’s just a long strip. There’s no proper pub, no shop, no post office. There’s a village hall where the only activities are a weekly lunch club, matt bowls, dog training, ballroom dancing and a whist drive. There’s a pop up pub in the village hall one Friday a month.

There are no activities on the list for children and teenagers which made me wonder how many young people live there although there is an outdoor play area for young children at the hall.

There’s no school. There’s a primary school in Brill. The nearest secondary school is in Bicester. One newspaper report said there are 268 adults and 45 children which makes me think that after school and weekend activities for families are taking place elsewhere.

268 adults and only 45 children and what’s going on at the village hall makes me think this is predominantly a village of elderly people - not somewhere men are going to go looking for women!

It is a familiar racist trope that men from a group singled out for racist views are more inclined to rape and sexually abuse white girls/women. Before the civil rights movement in America black men were believed to be predisposed to rape and sexually abuse white girls/women.
And of course some men from other races/religions do rape and sexually abuse girls/women, but as with white men, they are in the minority but their cases are widely publicised and made to sound like the norm. They are said to be less civilised, not like us, not sharing our values, unable to respect women in the same way. As if our superiority is a given despite our jails being full of our own homegrown male rapists and abusers who somehow missed the memo about being more civilised etc.
Whenever I have been out late at night and I haven’t been out late for a very long time, but I can recall feeling scared and clutching my keys in my hand as a weapon, when hearing footfalls behind me, and turning to see a man following closely behind. I never checked to see if that man was a different t race, he was a man, and as all women know, any man is capable of rape etc.
Statistics show that most rapes and sexual offences are committed by men known to the victim, a much smaller number are committed by strangers.

I think it is a much bigger issue than asylum seekers, the concerns around that are a symptom so to speak

Are you saying that the 'bigger issue' is immigration generally, Galaxy, or is it something completely different?

It is all the things I mentioned, I also think it may have been possibly for people to tolerate/ignore all that if it had been a time of economic stability and a time when the industries which provided purpose, meaning etc for many hadn't been destroyed. That probably sounds a bit too much of 'looking back to some non existent golden age' but I dont mean it in that way.

I also think it may have been possibly for people to tolerate/ignore all that if it had been a time of economic stability and a time when the industries which provided purpose, meaning etc for many hadn't been destroyed.

I agree with you. I’ve been saying for a long time that I think that the economy has been a very significant factor. The ‘shrink the state’ economic ideology which has driven the decline in public services for the past few decades has been exploited to make ‘immigrants’ the scapegoats for the decline. I can’t see it improving any time soon.

I have thought about the way we have treated ‘immigrants’ throughout history (not always joyfully welcoming them) and the legacy of Empire which, as well as seeing the peoples we ruled over across the globe as somehow ‘inferior’ to the British, also encouraged those peoples to think of Britain as the ‘mother country’ which would help them when in trouble.

I don’t think we’ve had a healthy regard to immigrants for a long time. When I think back to my younger days Britain was rife with casual racism. Insecurity has brought it back to the fore.

As if our superiority is a given despite our jails being full of our own homegrown male rapists and abusers who somehow missed the memo about being more civilised etc.

Of course our jails have more homegrown male rapists and abusers, they are part of the majority population. They are abhorrent and deserve punishment. What I don't ever recall is reading of a homegrown rapist using as his defence that he didn't know rape was illegal, or that sex with a 12 or 13 year old was illegal, and that consent in the case of adults was essential. Usually rapists of adult females are quick to claim there was consent.
There is certainly a perception that the percentage of sexual abuse and rapes is disproportionally higher amongst asylum seekers. If accurate records about the ethnicity and immigration status of offenders was kept this could be proved or disproved. Maybe we'd find that the 'perceptions' are totally wrong and this could be widely publicised with supporting data.

If asylum seekers were allowed to work, even as volunteers, the story might be different. Surely their accommodation could supply opportunities to do useful cleaning, cooking, maintenance, gardening. Sports, classes, and other activities could be arranged so that they would actually prefer to stay on site and be occupied instead of having long days of inaction and boredom.

I agree Elrel, leaving a largely young male cohort day after day with nothing useful to occupy them is inviting trouble. I'm not sure how popular some of the activities you mention would be, but anything is worth trying and the very least should be classes to educate them on social norms and customs in the UK etc.

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^Nothing there for them? There are woman! Won’t they be looking for a girlfriend, all these red blooded males?^

Have you looked at Piddington?

Asylum seekers housed in military barracks are not prisoners, they are not detained but sports and other facilities are provided on site to keep them occupied.

I can’t imagine why they would even want to go into Piddington. It’s just a long strip. There’s no proper pub, no shop, no post office. There’s a village hall where the only activities are a weekly lunch club, matt bowls, dog training, ballroom dancing and a whist drive. There’s a pop up pub in the village hall one Friday a month.

There are no activities on the list for children and teenagers which made me wonder how many young people live there although there is an outdoor play area for young children at the hall.

There’s no school. There’s a primary school in Brill. The nearest secondary school is in Bicester. One newspaper report said there are 268 adults and 45 children which makes me think that after school and weekend activities for families are taking place elsewhere.

268 adults and only 45 children and what’s going on at the village hall makes me think this is predominantly a village of elderly people - not somewhere men are going to go looking for women!

Of course there are woman, attractive women.
They might want have a walk through, they aren’t prisoners you know.
I just think some people on here are very naive to say the least.
Just have to see how it all pans out.

There is certainly a perception that the percentage of sexual abuse and rapes is disproportionally higher amongst asylum seekers. If accurate records about the ethnicity and immigration status of offenders was kept this could be proved or disproved. Maybe we'd find that the 'perceptions' are totally wrong and this could be widely publicised with supporting data.

Why doesnt the government publicise the figures?

If it is like another Country that did do that[was it Denmark?], as I recall, the figures came out very bad.

Galaxy

But the slogans have come from both sides. And if I was being immature I would argue that the progressives started it. Diversity is our strength,etc - well for many communities it didnt seem that way. My guess is that the villagers of Piddington may also have said those slogans, until....

I think you are right. I think they never thought that those barracks would be used for this, even though Cossy thinks they would have known. Now it’s practically in their back garden, they are furious.
‘Bring them all in’ but just not around our lovely village.
That’s what I think anyway.

I just think some people on here are very naive to say the least.

I think it is far from naivity.

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Because it was going to be in the past and only shelved by the new Tory government in 2010 as part of its austerity drive.

In June 2010, the newly appointed Immigration Minister, Damian Green, officially scrapped the project. The government deemed the facility "unaffordable under current plans”.

Under current plans. That doesn't mean forever.

Anyone who lived in Piddington before that would have known about it and anyone who has moved there since would surely have heard about it. When you move to new place you do your homework or have your solicitors do it.

As people don't want asylum seekers in hotels what's the alternative?

With the military still active on the site, it will be secure. Asylum seekers are not detained but they are still supervised. They will be bussed into nearby towns and cities during the day as they are from other military sites which are used for the same purpose.

I think the bigger issue, if you will, isn’t that people don’t want them in hotels, they simply don’t want them here, any of them, ever.

Whilst I obviously don’t condone this, I can totally understand this.

With Reform and Restore continuously exploiting people’s fears and anxieties, the few awful crimes which have been committed by AS and now these awful “mobs”, Patriot Platform and Pink Ladies, it’s not surprising people have had enough.

Literally all we hear about migrants are horror stories and horrible crimes.

My fear with the “mobs” and now security patrolling is this will simply lead to yet further disruption, aggression and destruction of public property.

Nobody welcomes this, whoever is responsible migrants will be “blamed”.

People need to take a deep breath, look for the positives, amount of people arriving (boat size is irrelevant, it’s about the actual number of people), is decreasing, backlog is decreasing, people are being deported. I completely understand peoples anger, but, things are moving in the right direction and the speed is frustrating for all of us.

Matt today.