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Anyone understand why Johnson is so far ahead in the polls? ( 2)

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M0nica Sat 08-May-21 15:38:06

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M0nica Sat 08-May-21 15:38:39

PippaZ How can you have an opinion on a an article when you have only read the first line?

M0nica Sat 08-May-21 15:42:35

I think Peter Mandelson summed it all up perfectly:
lose, lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair lose, lose, lose.

The Labour future chasing the last traditional labour voter down a rabbit hole or waking up to the new social order and adjusting to it.

AGAA4 Sat 08-May-21 15:57:49

Labour have done very well here in Wales. People seem to like Mark Drakeford. So why the disparity with England?

lemongrove Sat 08-May-21 16:02:03

Labour have always done well in Wales surely? Just as they used to in Scotland before the SNP pinched their votes.

love0c Sat 08-May-21 16:29:58

I think it is because at the moment there is no realistic opposition. Simple as that. Fingers crosses that by the next GE there will be a decent?? party. I have three grandchildren and I want their future to be bright in this country.

MayBee70 Sat 08-May-21 16:37:57

What proof is there that there is no viable opposition other than the fact that we’re constantly being told that there isn’t one? The shadow cabinet seem far more sensible and intelligent than their government counterparts ( imo).

Polarbear2 Sat 08-May-21 16:39:52

MayBee70

What proof is there that there is no viable opposition other than the fact that we’re constantly being told that there isn’t one? The shadow cabinet seem far more sensible and intelligent than their government counterparts ( imo).

👍 agree

love0c Sat 08-May-21 16:44:13

The proof is there for all to see. Labour has been buried in these local elections. Johnson is by no means a good PM but he is seen as the lesser of two evils. What is there not to understand?

vegansrock Sat 08-May-21 16:47:48

Johnson is only popular in England ( not Scotland Wales or NI) , and then not in the big cities. The tories have basically rebranded themselves as the English Nationalists/ Brexit party.

Anniebach Sat 08-May-21 16:50:10

There has been little chance to hear from anyone in the shadow cabinet for the past 14 months

Chestnut Sat 08-May-21 17:00:34

I would never vote Labour because I don't trust them with the economy. Simple as that.

Callistemon Sat 08-May-21 17:02:38

AGAA4

Labour have done very well here in Wales. People seem to like Mark Drakeford. So why the disparity with England?

I think it would take a seismic shift for Labour to lose Wales!

Or hell will freeze over.

NotSpaghetti Sat 08-May-21 17:08:30

That's true Anniebach

But of course Johnson is a very slogan-focussed politician and, like Trump demonstrated, if you keep repeating the same phrase again and again not only do you start to believe it but you persuade others that it's true.

For example, when he was asked how he would "Level Up" Johnson basically had no idea. But I've heard ordinary people on the radio say that the Conservatives are about Levelling up.

Callistemon Sat 08-May-21 17:08:39

I don't find Mark Drakeford very inspiring AGAA4 although he seems earnest and well-meaning and statistics for, for example, healthcare, jobs etc are not good in comparison to England.
However, a firm but sure programme during lockdown plus an excellent vaccination roll-out has helped, I'm sure.

It is more that entrenched attitudes are hard to change in some areas combined with a mistrust of the Tories.

AGAA4 Sat 08-May-21 17:10:32

My question was why the disparity with England. I know Labour have been in power in Wales for a very long time but in England they are still so far behind. Why are they getting it so wrong? I am not a Labour supporter just interested.

Callistemon Sat 08-May-21 17:16:20

AGAA4

My question was why the disparity with England. I know Labour have been in power in Wales for a very long time but in England they are still so far behind. Why are they getting it so wrong? I am not a Labour supporter just interested.

Perhaps Starmer needs to come and chat with Drakeford.

I don't know
Anniebach may have more answers.

AGAA4 Sat 08-May-21 17:30:04

Maybe he should instead of spending so much time trying to discredit the Tories over wallpaper.

Callistemon Sat 08-May-21 17:35:43

Accentuating the positives instead of concentrating on the opposing party's negatives could be a good plan.

MerylStreep Sat 08-May-21 17:39:05

Perhaps this article may help some posters to understand.
Written by a someone born and bred in Hartlepool.
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9555399/Labour-blood-bone-left-hearts-says-RUTH-SUNDERLAND.html

Mollygo Sat 08-May-21 17:39:07

Labour in Wales. My relatives in Wales (on DH’s side), have always voted Labour since back when his Granddad was a miner. They have voted Labour this time and I’m quoting from my BiL “Better the devil you know. They’re all in it for themselves so not much point in changing.”
He said a lot more, explaining his politics and what he sees as good and bad, and his opinion of both main parties but summed his vote up above.
He’s a university lecturer and his wife was a stay at home mum but is a now a practice receptionist just to clarify their place on the scale.

M0nica Sat 08-May-21 17:40:19

Chestnut that has always been my problem. I have been teetering on the edge of voting Labour all my life but never done it.

I thought with Gordon Brown we had the turn round - and he managed the economy very well for the first half of his tenure, but then even he could not resist Labour's besetting problem, wishful thinking. Thinking the economy was doing something because he wanted it to and thought it ought to.

MaizieD Sat 08-May-21 17:40:30

AGAA4

Maybe he should instead of spending so much time trying to discredit the Tories over wallpaper.

Good God. Cut the man a bit of slack for having a bit of a piss take.. probably taking all of ...ooooh hmm 15 minutes?

After all, Johnson gets cut enough slack to hang himself and all of his Cabinet...

MayBee70 Sat 08-May-21 17:45:37

Chestnut

I would never vote Labour because I don't trust them with the economy. Simple as that.

Can I ask why? I have heard that it’s a myth that Labour leave the economy in a worse state. And the time that Cameron held up that note that was left in the treasury saying theres no money left was despicable because it was just a joke. We will have several years of more austerity cuts and then the Conservatives will miraculously find lots of money with which to promise all sort of things that then won’t even happen. We’ve had how many years of Conservative governments now and yet more and more people are depending on food banks and people are still sleeping on the streets. It took a young footballer to shame the government into caring about hungry children. So why do people seem to think that they’re so successful? What have they done that’s so great? I’d really like to know.

Mollygo Sat 08-May-21 17:48:41

MayBee70, I don’t know Chestnut’s reasons, but Gordon Brown’s term in power was disastrous for a lot of current pensioners.