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The Women's Institute is to revert to being an Institute for Women

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Doodledog Wed 03-Dec-25 13:45:21

www.thewi.org.uk/media-centre/press-releases

It appears that the WI, along with Guiding, has finally accepted that the law applies to them as well as to the rest of us.

I am not a WI member, so much of what I know is from reading things like the thread on MN where a member's husband was refused membership as he doesn't 'live as a woman'. He took them to court, as they did allow transwomen to be members, so it was his lifestyle, not his sex that precluded his membership. Nobody can define what 'living as a woman' means, lifestyle is not a protected characteristic, and sex is legally based on biology, so it appears that he has won his case - I don't see how he could have lost, really.

Both the WI and Guiding express deep sorrow and regret at their decisions and are clearly 'giving in' grudgingly, but AFAIK neither asked their membership's opinions on things like having boys in tents with girls, or men at meetings supposedly for women, and from which men who don't claim to 'live as women' are excluded - the policies were imposed, not voted in.

I assume it's obvious that I approve of the policy reversals. At one time I would have argued that a very occasional man who had transitioned should be allowed in the WI, (although I would probably not have approved on teenage boys being in the GG), but since the recent forcing of the TRA agenda onto policies of various types my desire to protect women and girls has trumped a wish for everyone to live and let live.

It was apparently discussed on Women's Hour this morning, but I have been out all day, and missed it. Did anyone hear it, please, and if so, was anything discussed that contradicts my take on it all (ie that a women's and girls' groups should be for women and girls)?

eazybee Wed 03-Dec-25 14:28:19

I didn't hear it, but you can access it on Sounds.
I always felt rather sorry for the members of Working Men's Clubs, Gentlemen's Clubs, and I wonder how the Groucho is fairing now.

I also wonder if Sandra Peggie's case will ever be resolved

Bridie22 Wed 03-Dec-25 14:31:49

Common sense prevails slowly.

Cherrytree59 Wed 03-Dec-25 14:41:01

Check out Mumsnet...
DH v WI (thread 1 and 2)
Mumsnet husband who has in part been responsible for the WI change of mind.
Mumsnetter Another2cats

Visgir1 Wed 03-Dec-25 14:44:11

I saw it on the WI Instagram account.

Ladyleftfieldlover Wed 03-Dec-25 14:55:03

For a while we had one man who attended WI meetings. He suffered from Alzheimer’s and couldn’t talk. His wife brought him to meetings as he wouldn’t be left with anyone apart from his wife. One day at a coffee morning he suddenly took out a mouth organ and played a tune beautifully.

Doodledog Wed 03-Dec-25 15:02:31

Cherrytree59

Check out Mumsnet...
DH v WI (thread 1 and 2)
Mumsnet husband who has in part been responsible for the WI change of mind.
Mumsnetter *Another2cats *

Yes, that’s the thread I mentioned.

I will listen on Sounds later, but wondered what people thought of the changes.

That’s a lovely story, Ladyleftfieldlover. I doubt many people would object to men such as you describe being included- it is the insistence that women can have nowhere without men being present that hardened a lot of hearts, I think.

Blossoming Wed 03-Dec-25 15:06:24

Good.

Grandmabatty Wed 03-Dec-25 15:12:42

The trans activists have done their 'cause' no favours by the aggressive methods they have used to invade women only spaces. I welcome this about turn. Girl guides have changed their stance too.

Sarnia Wed 03-Dec-25 15:22:07

No, Doodledog members were not asked their opinion and that has not down well with some. I am a multi-member, attending 2 local WI's. We have around 3 open meetings every year when we have a good speaker that non-members may like to come along to hear. Men are always welcome to these meetings, providing they cough up £2 for entry, tea & cake and they also make up teams for our very popular Annual Quiz. The WI are bowing to the Supreme Court ruling according to the National Chair this morning.

Lathyrus3 Wed 03-Dec-25 15:23:25

When I saw this with the statement from the WI, that although they have taken this step, the WI holds to the belief that transwomen are women, I did wonder if they had actually asked the membership what they believed.

Surely an organisation is its members. Not the administrative staff.

PaperMonster2 Wed 03-Dec-25 15:37:22

The WI’s stance on trans-identified men was the main reason I didn’t rejoin when I moved areas. Whilst this is a welcome move, the language used suggests they’re more concerned with men’s feelings than their female members. Likewise GirlGuiding, of which I am a member. I’ve long been uncomfortable knowing that their safeguarding policy was unsafe.

vegansrock Wed 03-Dec-25 16:35:38

Good. It’s a pity they had to be so mealy mouthed about it in their statement. If they want men to join they should change their title to People’s Institute.

JdotJ Wed 03-Dec-25 16:39:33

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

NanKate Wed 03-Dec-25 16:56:56

Phew at last the Women’s Institute will be truly for biological women. Hooray.

I sent many emails of complaint to the National Federation of Women’s Institutes and got many ‘narky’ replies. When they said ‘A transwoman is a woman’ in an email to me, I said ‘You are deluded’ ! I got no response to that.

I heard the Woman’s Hour discussion and the WI representative clearly was very unhappy with the decision to bar transwomen from the WI.

I have said before my cousin was trans and I got on well with her. One of my best friend’s son is now her daughter and I often genuinely ask about her.

Common sense has returned to the WI, perhaps by force.

SueDonim Wed 03-Dec-25 22:07:17

Not before time. I couldn’t help reading the WI’s statement of “It is with the utmost regret and sadness that we must announce that, from April 2026, we can no longer offer formal membership to transgender women” as It is with the utmost regret and sadness that we must announce that, from April 2026, we must obey the law.

Mollygo Wed 03-Dec-25 22:31:21

Ladyleftfieldlover

For a while we had one man who attended WI meetings. He suffered from Alzheimer’s and couldn’t talk. His wife brought him to meetings as he wouldn’t be left with anyone apart from his wife. One day at a coffee morning he suddenly took out a mouth organ and played a tune beautifully.

That's lovely. LFFL. Good that they let him stay so his wife could attend.
The difference was that he wasn’t pretending to be a woman.

Chardy Wed 03-Dec-25 22:47:32

So based on this, should Scouts revert to being male-only? Or Gransnet only be for those with grandchildren?

Mollygo Wed 03-Dec-25 23:43:07

Chardy

So based on this, should Scouts revert to being male-only? Or Gransnet only be for those with grandchildren?

If you want to argue that go ahead.

Scouts are no longer called Boy Scouts. Girls can join without having to tell untruths about their birth sex.

Grans?
That’s possibly more difficult to argue but if you can evidence one non-grandparent on GN who has harmed others by being here, you’d have a good case for going forward.

mum2three Thu 04-Dec-25 05:24:53

I suppose strictly speaking Gransnet should be for grandparents only, which means I shouldn't be allowed on here. However, I tried Mumsnet and found the vulgar language disquieting so joined here instead. There isn't another site quite like this one.

Rosie51 Thu 04-Dec-25 07:52:24

Chardy

So based on this, should Scouts revert to being male-only? Or Gransnet only be for those with grandchildren?

Scouts chose to admit girls and become a mixed sex group because their numbers were falling. Guides have not experienced the same drop off, but admitted boys who 'identify' as girls to 'be kind'. Scouts do not allow mixed sex accommodation when camping etc, Guides have allowed transgirls (males) to share accommodation with girls without informing the girls' parents for 'privacy reasons'. Totally different situations. As for Gransnet etc, that should be for the organisers to decide membership qualification as long as it is open and honest so everyone knows where they stand.

Galaxy Thu 04-Dec-25 08:01:24

It is really simple if the WI want men to join then they would define their organisation as mixed sex. What they can't do is call it a womans organisation and include men.

Allsorts Thu 04-Dec-25 08:12:09

Entirely different Gransnet being for grannies. Anyone on any group can say or be what they want, we don't know, If you are biologically male or female you should not sharing and participating in a group you are not biologically part of. That should be a safe space to interact, if it is a group open to anyone, thats different. Also cannot abide toilets for mixed sexes, think they should be separate. Mens toilets always smell. I have mistakenly walked into the wrong ones at times and it was the smell that alerted me.

AGAA4 Thu 04-Dec-25 08:52:19

It should never have been allowed in an organisation specifically for women. I do feel sorry for those trans women who have been attending WI for years and are now banned as most are not a danger to women.

The right decision has been made and WI need to stop stating that trans women are women. They are not. They are men and always will be.

Galaxy Thu 04-Dec-25 08:57:27

It isnt that they are a danger in the WI, it is that it is an organisation for women. In the same way that a woman isn't a danger if she attends a support group for men with mental health issues, she just has no business being there.