Why the moral panic?

Migrants that are either directly recruited by eg NHS or who come here via legal channels are welcome. These boatloads of young men with no paperwork are not.

Aveline

Migrants that are either directly recruited by eg NHS or who come here via legal channels are welcome. These boatloads of young men with no paperwork are not.

Exactly this👏👏👏👏.

No papers, no proof of qualifications, no access to criminal records.
Some figures claim as many as 98% arrive without documentation.

It’s not a good starting point is it?

You only consider it “nonsense” because you disagree but as you state “thread after thread” is started about (illegal) immigrants then that demonstrates the strength of feeling against what is happening.

The comment “is it that the haters have to hate” is extremely over the top. I have never seen anyone on here say they hate the people coming here. It has been explained countless times that no ill feeling is felt towards those who come or came here legally to work and pay their dues and start new lives. None whatsoever but people do feel very strongly that people coming from a safe country - France - and destroying their documents are a different kettle of fish as we know nothing about them and it is a genuine fear. People all over the country have had enough.

Just a reminder that we have very large numbers of Chinese, Ugandan Asians, West Indians etc in this country who you never hear anything negative about now because they came here legally, worked hard, raised families and contributed to the country.

If you read the OP without your subjective spin, you will find that I have agreed that immigration is a problem.

What I am arguing is that it needs to be dealt with a degree of levelheadedness, that is frequently not shown on these threads.
Instead stoked by people like Farage and the right wing media, choosing to panic about a group of people you have identified as a threat to our way life your reaction is so much greater than the actual danger

Why the moral panic? As outlined in numerous other threads, it's kind of going over the same old ground:

Given we do have an aging population that isn't being replenished, most of the western world does. Coupled with the fact shortage of housing. Conflate the two and therein lies one factor. It's hard to go forth and multiply when one can't get a roof over their head. Priced out! Both in owning or renting.

We do need migration, but it needs to be targeted where required. As Andy Burnham has noted, we don't need more questionable barbers or vape shops on the high street. Furthermore, we need to train our own people particularly in the medical profession and whilst we have marvellous doctors, nurses and other medics from overseas sometimes they are being procured a) because it's cheaper than training our own and b) at the expense of where they've been trained and probably needed from wherever they've emanated.

I think moral outrage is justified when an asylum seeker commit serious crimes such as rape. Can anyone say they aren't outraged by the murder of a young woman stabbed through the head umpteen times with a screwdriver leaving her for dead, with a 5 year old son who will have scant memory of a mother taken from him.

Finally, immigration via asylum. Once their claim is granted we can never be sure of the background. Amongst their number Iran will have planted sleeper cells and that will only come to light if they're successful in their endeavours.

I'm not a supporter of Farage by the way. Right now my thoughts are to see how Burnham fares. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.

Aveline

Migrants that are either directly recruited by eg NHS or who come here via legal channels are welcome. These boatloads of young men with no paperwork are not.

Please can we have legal routes?

I have been very grateful for the medical staff from overseas recently, then again the NHS has been actively recruiting from abroad since at least the 1970’s.

I am also well aware that it is impossible to apply to live/work here from some countries, therefore the only option is to rock up on our shores.

I have been a migrant in another country as have my family, we learnt the language and respected their traditions and way of life. Also when visiting a country for the first time, I do my due diligence as to the customs and social no no’s of that country.

I think that people who are looking at the migrant problem from a position of not having a large influx of asylum seekers close to their homes are not fully aware of what it is like to live with groups of young men just hanging around. I and many female friends and family (of all ages) have experienced cat calling, rude gestures and feeling uncomfortable when walking past these groups.

It is a fact that many of the men arriving on these boats have a different opinion of women, and are unlikely to change their views.

I am also uncomfortable with the people traffickers charging large sums of money and instructing them to destroy their paperwork. If they have nothing to hide, why destroy documentation which could help their claim for asylum?

There is and never has been any hate from me, nor am I a racist, which is banded about the minute a poster does not open their arms and welcome all…

Excellent post TerriBull 👏👏👏