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Cendrillon Sat 03-Dec-11 13:00:45

"Bored of" rather than the correct "bored with (or by)" is used so much now, especially on the BBC.

absentgrana Mon 23-Jan-12 14:28:53

Unless you're doing it in the past tense elegran.

Elegran Mon 23-Jan-12 14:10:32

You can lay eggs, lay the table, lay the maid, lay down your life or anything else you are carrying, but if it is yourself you just lie.

absentgrana Mon 23-Jan-12 13:17:21

Ever since Dubya said it, nucular has been creeping into the media.

sandra Mon 23-Jan-12 13:10:50

Pacific rather than specific! Amazing how many peole say that.

Annobel Thu 29-Dec-11 17:16:48

PS. GS, aged 7, is showing promising signs of being a pedant. He was very indignant with 'bad spelling' in the Beano. They spelt 'what' as 'wot'... Hope all my GC are as particular.

Annobel Thu 29-Dec-11 15:57:03

We were always fussy about our children's grammar and I'm glad to say they and their OHs are the same with theirs. It would be good if teachers in schools were equally keen on precision.

Mamie Thu 29-Dec-11 15:46:24

I used to love it when I taught in Yorkshire and the children who were late said "I overlaid".

gracesmum Thu 29-Dec-11 14:34:19

And kids in school would say "See what I just done"!!
My particular bete noire is "laying" for "lying "(I think "laying eggs" or "laying what?" when I hear it) and "sat" for "sitting" - will we all have "sat rooms" in our houses in future?
And when did "going forward" start? It has crept in and is a TOTALLY MEANINGLESS phrase. I am all for linguistic development and love dialect usage, but sloppy speech is neither.

Annobel Thu 29-Dec-11 14:03:35

Also, where we would use the perfect tense - 'See what I've just done' - the Americans would say 'See what I just did'.

Joan Thu 29-Dec-11 13:51:18

I never realised till I did my TESOL course, that the Americans have different verb forms. Where we would say 'If I had known that, I would have done something else' Americans would say 'If I would have known that , I would have done something else. They do seem to use more words that us, such as 'listen up' instead of just 'listen'.

As for the French using English words, I have to laugh at the Academie Francais (sp?) getting all upset, trying to keep the language pure, while the French people cheerfully ignore them, using as many English words as they want. Well, it's poetic justice I suppose, seeing that their language infiltrated ours via the Normans after 1066.

Mind you, I do love our hybrid language, with all the different words for the same thing. We can be really subtle (well, some can, but I'm from Yorkshire where we do more Anglo Saxon than subtle. I'm afraid!)

gracesmum Thu 29-Dec-11 13:42:19

And people wonder why I gave up being a Languages teacher - quite unnecessary with all the franglais and gerglish ( ein Computer, eine Email, etc) Absolutely redundant!

Stansgran Thu 29-Dec-11 11:29:48

Just given my 2GS a babyfoot(pronounced babbyfut) the french do make me laugh.
And I still hate"sat sitting"

Learnergrandma Wed 28-Dec-11 19:56:10

Love the "pipole", Mamie grin

Mamie Wed 28-Dec-11 11:35:26

Not just youngsters. I think le business world is worse. Here are a few more:
un gentleman
un hamburger
un briefing
un hot dog
un job
un leader (political context)
un lifting (facelift)
light (fewer calories)
le look
le making of
le marketing
non-stop
overbooké/overbouqué
un parking
une party girl
les people or pipole (celebrities)
un planning (schedule)
le pressing (dry cleaners)
un pull/un pullover
un relax (lounge chair)
And my own favourite - le bag in box (winebox).

Greatnan Wed 28-Dec-11 11:06:30

French youngsters seem to think anything English is 'cool'. They all talk about 'le weekend' and 'le football' but few will venture as far as speaking in English,

Elegran Wed 28-Dec-11 10:55:28

Thanks Yogagran I have downloaded that.

Mamie Wed 28-Dec-11 08:02:28

It must drive you mad living here in France then, Greatnan. I can't believe how many English words are now used and misused in the French language. The news programmes seem to be the worst offenders. It doesn't say much for the efforts of the Academie in trying to keep the language pure, does it?

Greatnan Tue 27-Dec-11 21:02:42

'Laying down' instead of 'lying down'. The boat ' sunk' instead of 'sank'
and 'mitigate against' instead of 'militate against'. All found in newspapers recently - surely journalists, proof-readers and sub-editors should be the very people to use English correctly.
And most annoying at the moment 'going forward' - is there any politician who can string a sentence together without using this meaningless phrase? If they mean, 'in the future', why not say that?
I know English is a vibrant language and usage can change - but why should the past tense of a perfectly ordinary verb be changed?

JessM Tue 27-Dec-11 19:59:08

Up to at least less than 50% off... the shops have a lot of trouble explaining their reductions at this time of year... bless em.

yogagran Tue 27-Dec-11 19:29:37

I've just downloaded to my Kindle "My Grammar and I (Or Should That Be 'Me'?): Old-School Ways to Sharpen Your English" from Amazon. It's in their special 12 days of Christmas sale at 99p. Looks fascinating reading for tonight.

www.amazon.co.uk/Grammar-Should-That-Old-School-ebook/dp/B004GNFPU2/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?ie=UTF8&m=A3TVV12T0I6NSM&qid=1325013892&sr=8-1

granzilla Thu 08-Dec-11 20:09:41

No matter how it was conjugated, the word bored was never allowed when I were a lass.Nor were my kids allowed to use it.

susiecb Wed 07-Dec-11 15:26:36

Oh upcoming instead of forthcoming- drives me witless!!!

raggygranny Wed 07-Dec-11 15:08:10

It's a bit like the old slogan for Anadin - 'Nothing acts faster than Anadin' - well, in that case I'll take nothing!

bagitha Wed 07-Dec-11 06:38:34

I think they are just looking for a shorter, snappier way to say Do not send any money until we've contacted you directly. There's no need because we have satisfactory ways of fleecing you later.

Kiwibird Wed 07-Dec-11 02:20:11

Can anybody tell me if the following is correct? Sometimes, in an advertisement, these words will be written "Send no money now!" This has bothered me for a long time because how can I send no money? I can't send 'nothing'. How could it be re-worded? "Money required after delivery?" I'd be interested in hearing thoughts regarding this.
Isn't it funny how seemingly little things in life can annoy.