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Quote, misquote

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absentgrana Sun 02-Sept-12 12:45:33

We've just been having jolly japes about Edmund Burke on the thread about Who is god? strangely enough. A few more common misquotations or misattributions spring to mind.

Probably the best-known misquote in the English language is "Elementary, my dear Watson, elementary." Conan Doyle didn't write it and Sherlock Holmes didn't say it.

Captain Kirk never said "Beam me up Scotty".

"England and America are two countries divided by a common language" does not appear anywhere in any of George Bernard Shaw's works.

Anne58 Sat 22-Sept-12 20:47:33

I always thought that the "two nations divided by a common language" was Mark Twain???

johanna Sat 22-Sept-12 20:00:22

Hello absent, I finally found it.
www.quoteinvestigator.com/2012/05/28/renoir-paint/
According to this article Renoir was responsible for both the quotes you mentioned.

I could not find it on page 521 of my Oxford Dictionary of Quotations .smile

absentgrana Tue 18-Sept-12 10:16:51

johanna I'm not sure exactly the word Renoir said but it was along the lines of "I use my brush to make love" which sounds a much lovelier idea than the above mentioned misquote.

johanna Mon 17-Sept-12 21:50:31

Indeed greatnan, thank you.

Greatnan Mon 17-Sept-12 21:40:46

Know thine enemy!

johanna Mon 17-Sept-12 21:33:53

Thanks mrsmopp and greatnan
I had completely forgotten about this thread.
Good fun, is it not?
Must resume my search for the painter who did not paint with his prick.

Mae West said : Why don't you come up sometime, and see me?

Greatnan you know your bible very well?smile

Greatnan Mon 17-Sept-12 16:04:04

The love of money is the root of all evil.

mrsmopp Mon 17-Sept-12 15:43:12

Mae West never said "Come up and see me sometime"

johanna Mon 03-Sept-12 21:49:03

absent grin grin grin
Now you have given me a task.......

absentgrana Mon 03-Sept-12 21:41:33

johanna That is a truly devious response that leaves me in limbo. Are you smiling sweetly because it is there on your page 521? Honestly, I don't have a reference book with misquotes on page 521 and now I am totally intrigued. I'll have to come up with something else that might not be on your page 521. How about:

"I paint it with my prick" which was never said by Renoir? grin

johanna Mon 03-Sept-12 21:31:02

absent smile

absentgrana Mon 03-Sept-12 21:25:24

Definitely mischievous but page 521 of what johanna? Do you have on that page of whatever book you are talking about:
Pride doesn't go before a fall.
Pride goeth before adversity and an haughty spirit before a fall?

Anagram Mon 03-Sept-12 21:01:16

Oh, come on now johanna - we could all look them up, but where's the fun in that? wink

johanna Mon 03-Sept-12 20:54:00

absent
You are very mischievous , just working your way down the page?
It is page 521 in my Edition. grin grin grin

absentgrana Sun 02-Sept-12 20:10:49

"Crisis. What crisis?" What James Callaghan actually said in that difficult January in 1979 was, "I don't think other people in the world share the view there is a mounting chaos". The Sun had other ideas – and short space for their headlines.

Nonu Sun 02-Sept-12 17:44:51

The character IIs Lund said play for me Sam

Bogart said You played it for her , play it for me , play it

Anagram Sun 02-Sept-12 17:33:38

Humphrey Bogart never said "Play it again, Sam" in Casablanca.

numberplease Sun 02-Sept-12 17:29:00

James Cagney once said in an interview that he never said "You dirty rat".

Greatnan Sun 02-Sept-12 16:48:07

Films have a lot to answer for - I remember 'Objective Burma' where Errol Flynn rescued Burma single-handedly - the British were apparently not involved.
I don't like film or TV makers taking liberties with my favourite authors - Austen, Hardy and Eliot - but I have to say that the latest attempts have been very good.

Anagram Sun 02-Sept-12 16:46:17

But PG Wodehouse did use the phrase mentioned in the OP in his 1915 book, 'PSmith Journalist', as johanna has said.

vampirequeen Sun 02-Sept-12 16:41:02

Sherlock Holmes never said "Elementary, my dear Watson" in any of the stories by Conan Doyle. However, that phrase has been used frequently in the movies and was even mistakenly cited in Bartlett's Familiar Quotations for 1937 and 1948. The actual quotation is as follows:

"I have the advantage of knowing your habits, my dear Watson," said he. "When your round is a short one you walk, and when it is a long one you use a hansom. As I perceive that your boots, although used, are by no means dirty, I cannot doubt that you are at present busy enough to justify the hansom."
"Excellent!" I cried.
"Elementary," said he. "It is one of those instances where the reasoner can produce an effect which seems remarkable to his neighbour, because the latter has missed the one little point which is the basis of the deduction. The same may be said, my dear fellow, for the effect of some of these little sketches of yours, which is entirely meretricious, depending as it does upon your retaining in your own hands some factors in the problem which are never imparted to the reader.
The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes (1893)
Watson and Holmes in "The Crooked Man" (Doubleday p. 412)

www.bestofsherlock.com/top-10-sherlock-quotes.htm#elementary

Nonu Sun 02-Sept-12 16:08:22

Like it , I have to say I also thought it was Sherlock Holmes !

JO4 Sun 02-Sept-12 16:06:37

but only in a film

grin

JO4 Sun 02-Sept-12 16:01:50

'Elementary my dear Watson' is from Sherlock Homes!

Nothing to do with P.G. Wodehouse. grin

johanna Sun 02-Sept-12 15:55:59

Psmith Journalist?
1915?