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Bags Tue 25-Jun-13 11:40:37

anno, maybe it's from further north than where you grew up? I've certainly heard it a lot in Argyll.

Bags Tue 25-Jun-13 11:39:00

"Aged P" is more like it, vegas! wink Especially from DD3.

It could well be Gaelic, nfk. The Celtic links between Scotland, Ireland and Wales are very strong here, and at one time the same language as was spoken in Wales and Cumbria was also spoken in Argyll where I live.

vegasmags Tue 25-Jun-13 11:17:16

You mean to say Bags that they don't use the salutation Esteemed Parents in their communications to you? Whatever is the world coming to?

Butty Tue 25-Jun-13 10:58:26

When our sons email us, instead of 'Dear Mum and Dad' - it's "Hey guys!" or 'Hi, you two'.
I suppose it could be 'Hi youse two' and I wouldn't mind a bit. smile

annodomini Tue 25-Jun-13 10:29:37

Bags, born and brought up in the West of Scotland as I was, I very rarely heard 'youse' used by my school mates.

NfkDumpling Tue 25-Jun-13 09:23:05

How not native Bags? I find broad Scottish - especially the West and even more Glasgow - a completely different language. It could be Gaelic and I wouldn't know!

absent Tue 25-Jun-13 09:10:22

Youse seems pretty common in New Zealand (which I don't mind) and so, apparently, is awesome (which I do). shock

Bags Tue 25-Jun-13 08:39:43

For example, it would be perfectly proper and polite for me to dismiss the Cubs with "See youse all next week." I don't because I'm not a 'native' west of Scotlander.

Bags Tue 25-Jun-13 08:37:50

Youse is not low life in W Scotland, feetle; it's just the normal vernacular. Please don't assume otherwise.

feetlebaum Tue 25-Jun-13 08:36:07

I understand 'innit' has its roots in a Hindi idiom...

There's definitely a 'low-life' feeling about 'youse' though - 'Youse guys is all bums...' -

NfkDumpling Tue 25-Jun-13 08:28:37

Their for a single person never bothered me before, I suppose I didn't really notice it. But used in an official document it seems sloppy.

I really hate 'fantastic' response. It usually shows the person just isn't listening.

But I have to confess to having used 'whatever' - with the shrug - and found it very satisfying.

Bags Tue 25-Jun-13 08:25:38

I don't find any of it infuriating though.

ninathenana Tue 25-Jun-13 08:18:56

DD over uses the word 'fantastic'
"Your item will arrive on Wednesday madam"
"Fantastic !"

No, the response is " good, thank you" smile

Gorki Tue 25-Jun-13 06:59:49

Yay !!!

Greatnan Tue 25-Jun-13 06:48:56

What about 'Yeah, right' which proves that two positives can make a negative!

MiceElf Tue 25-Jun-13 06:23:06

Yes, it's the tone of voice and the shrug which often accompanies it which is really infuriating.

Bags Tue 25-Jun-13 06:05:52

'Whatever' can sound a bit dismissive, can't it? I have seen it used in a funny way though.

MiceElf Tue 25-Jun-13 06:03:42

The response that really winds me up is 'whatever'.

Bags Tue 25-Jun-13 05:53:46

Youse is common in western Scotland too. Probably because of the large Irish immigrant population. That may be the reason for it in Liverpool too.

NB When I say Irish immigrants, I'm talking about a while ago. It's not recent immigration, but there is a strong Irish influence in Glasgow, for instance.

MiceElf Tue 25-Jun-13 05:40:43

Everyone says 'youse' in Ireland. And almost everyone says 'innit' in London, either because of habit or as a (joking) emphasis.

Greatnan Tue 25-Jun-13 05:29:43

Joan, 'youse' is common parlance in Liverpool! 'You guys' is one of my dislikes.
It is sometimes difficult to avoid using 'their' when talking about people's belongings, as 'his or hers' is rather clumsy where gender is not specified.

Joan Mon 24-Jun-13 13:19:52

They, their etc. is the modern gender neutral personal pronoun. I don't mind it, as it serves a purpose.

But sometimes I DO mind these modern changes. Over here in Australia they have invented a plural of a plural, ie 'youse'. This means 'you' when there is more than one 'you'. 'You' is of course both singular and plural these days, even though it was exclusively plural when we still used thee and thou. 'Youse' may be useful, but I don't like it!!

Another useful but horrid modern word is 'innit', which seems to be used in the UK as a sort of 'n'est-ce pas' or 'nicht wahr' equivalent, even when its full form, 'isn't it' is not appropriate. I don't like this usage either!

Clearly our reactions to these modern usages are purely personal. I think we are stuck with them, like it or not.

Which leads me to the word 'like', which is used to signal a quote these days, by people younger than 40. I truly hate it!!

NfkDumpling Mon 24-Jun-13 11:14:56

Since mum died I've been receiving quite a bit of bumph from government departments - Inland Revenue, Probate, etc. All are referring to my mother as they, their, and so on. There's only one of her (thank goodness). What happened to he/she? Or even s/he?

It annoys me!