Gransnet forums

Pedants' corner

Offendees

(113 Posts)
Elegran Sat 01-Aug-15 15:18:46

Is it just me or has there been a change lately in "being offended" ? It has always seemed to me that you were offended if someone implied that you had some defect or other. If they said it about someone else, but your own part in the fault wasn't included, you could be very annoyed about it, but you were not offended. That was reserved for a personal slight to you. That is, the offense had been committed against the person offended.

Now people get offended on other people's behalf even when the person referred to doesn't see anything at all to take offence at. Surely it is highly presumptive and interfering to get into a tizz when no insult was meant and none taken? Rather like making someone else's decisions for them - "Does he take sugar?"

durhamjen Sun 02-Aug-15 16:12:58

Expecting a thread on empathy.

janeainsworth Sun 02-Aug-15 15:54:58

Hello Elegran. I think your OP is spot on, but as an unreconstructed pedant, I can't resist pointing out that you have spelled 'offence' the American way shockgrin

I have no idea what empathy has to do with offence-taking so am ignoring Soon's 'contributions'.

Ana Sun 02-Aug-15 15:49:41

Very interesting article, thatbags. Thanks.

Ana Sun 02-Aug-15 15:49:16

Well you could have fooled me, soontobe! hmm

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 15:41:04

I would say that there is a basic level of empathy needed in society yes. That is definitely not a concept.
But this may be going off topic somewhat now.
I cant be doing with discussing words just for the sake of it.

thatbags Sun 02-Aug-15 15:38:45

elegran and others who might be interested, here is an article about "empathetic correctness" that I read recently and that I think you'll enjoy appreciate.

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 15:36:39

If posters didnt reply to my posts such a lot, I wouldnt post as much.
You barely post, except to me.

mcem Sun 02-Aug-15 15:24:36

I'd say a factor or a concept but not a standard.
Is there a standard measure of empathy?

Still don't understand your comments over the last few posts. I really can't work out where you're going with this train of thought unless it's simply another example (as was suggested upthread) of egocentricity.

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 14:09:00

I am not offended for God. He is offended all by Himself.
It doesnt impact on me.

trisher Sun 02-Aug-15 13:40:02

Oh no! Now it isn't just people being offended for other people it's people being offended for God!!!!

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 13:28:46

Elegran - if this thread is purely about pedantics, then why do you have your last two sentences in your op?

trisher
Your last sentence.
Actually no I wouldnt, though that might be purely the way I take it. The offence is against God.

And yes you can empathise about the rest you have written in your post.

mcem - empathy is a standard of human life is it not?

trisher Sun 02-Aug-15 11:21:28

So I can't empathise with someone who likes off-colour jokes, and someone who disapproves of swearing has no empathy with me because I occasionally use 4 letter words? That's nonsense. I appreciate there are differences and some people find more things offensive than I do, some people less. If I was to swear at you you would be offended and quite rightly so, no matter how much empathy you felt for me.

mcem Sun 02-Aug-15 11:12:14

In what way is 'the level of empathy a standard'? And what do you mean by 'a huge great big one'.
I genuinely do not understand this post.

Elegran Sun 02-Aug-15 10:32:52

There is no need to get all aeriated about empathy. That is well-covered elsewhere.

This thread is under the "Pedants" umbrella, and is about the apparently changed "meaning" of "offended" from meaning "That definitely hurt ME!" to "There is a faint chance that it could have hurt SOMEONE who puts an unusual interpretation on it"

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 09:52:05

But the level of empathy is a standard. A huge great big one.

trisher Sun 02-Aug-15 09:49:38

People's levels of tolerance differ and we all have things we find unacceptable. Personally I find most off-colour jokes offensive, but a limited use of 4 letter words is acceptable. Others differ I know. What I do about this is up to me. Sometimes if something is very offensive I do speak out, other times I will simply remove myself from the situation. It isn't a question of empathy simply of one's personal standards.

Anniebach Sun 02-Aug-15 09:31:11

Is it not for the moderators to decide what threads are acceptable ?

whitewave Sun 02-Aug-15 09:30:59

Well done rose smile We can all now get back to adulthood.

rosesarered Sun 02-Aug-15 09:27:37

I will leave you to it.Enjoy.

Gracesgran Sun 02-Aug-15 09:24:02

Soon - I don't think you have anything to apologise for. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

whitewave Sun 02-Aug-15 09:23:45

grin

rosesarered Sun 02-Aug-15 09:23:23

Keep your nose out Whitewave, nothing to do with you.

rosesarered Sun 02-Aug-15 09:21:50

Sorry, but can't believe a word of anything you write Soontobe, so don't bother with any apologies.

whitewave Sun 02-Aug-15 09:20:51

The good mannered thing now is to accept the apology and close the door on a rather embarrassing and puerile spat

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 09:17:40

I post a great deal on this forum.
Whether people think I stir all the time well I think they need to look at all my posts each and every day.

I understand that you are annoyed though, and I once again apologise for pointing them to this thread and its comment.