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'for free'

(41 Posts)
MaizieD Tue 25-Aug-15 10:20:56

Have finally been driven to joining Gransnet by intense hatred of the term 'for free'. I caught sight of it at the bottom of the page when reading the the chester draws thread and saw red.

In the context of getting something without payment 'for' needs to be followed by a quantity. 'Free' is not a quantity, it is just a contraction of the phrase 'free of charge'. I know 'for free' sounds charmingly alliterative but it is just plain WRONG. It's 'for nothing', if you really insist on using 'for', or just 'free'.

Am I the only person left who knows this?

MaizieD Mon 12-Oct-15 16:34:42

Oh no, no, no!

I read an article today in which someone talked of selling land 'for cheap'..

That has to be the end of civilisation as we know it wink

suelowe Wed 02-Sept-15 11:17:58

Could be because fun is a noun and enjoyable an adjective , doh ! Imagine saying "so enjoyment" ......that's the equivalent of " so fun ".

Ana Sun 30-Aug-15 17:21:52

Yes indeed!!! grin

rosesarered Sun 30-Aug-15 17:20:25

And for using lots of exclamation marks!grin

Ana Sun 30-Aug-15 16:56:38

Certainly not! Pedants' Corner is for serious nit-picking and taking umbrage!

cupcake1 Sun 30-Aug-15 16:53:18

Sorry, all these 'rants' sound like something that should be aired on an episode of 'Grumpy Old Women' - life is to short - chill out! grin

NotSpaghetti Sun 30-Aug-15 13:57:35

My pet hate is when I'm asked to CONFIRM my name...

Elegran Sun 30-Aug-15 11:31:41

In the latest GN newsletter I see " Pendants' corner - 'for free' "

They got the apostrophe right!

thatbags Sat 29-Aug-15 22:57:47

The disapprovers of 'so fun' will like this from Noddy (NODE New Oxford Dictionary of English, 1998) under "usage":
"The use of 'fun' as an adjective meaning 'enjoyable', as in we had a fun evening is not fully accepted in standard English and should only be used in informal contexts. There are signs that this situation is changing, though, given the recent appearance in US English of comparative and superlative forms 'funner' and 'funnest', formed as if fun were a normal adjective."

A hugely fun way of putting it, I'm sure you'll agree smile

thatbags Sat 29-Aug-15 22:12:53

repronted? hmmm

thatbags Sat 29-Aug-15 22:12:23

Thought someone would mention that. However, according to Chambers online dictionary, 'fun' is also an intrasitive verb, a transitive verb, and an adjective. All that also the case in the 10th printed edition (2006) and in the 1988 edition repronted 1990.

Do catch up at the back there! wink

This is me doing a bit of catchup on GN [bigtease emoji]

FarNorth Thu 27-Aug-15 16:00:34

Well explained, Indinana. smile

Indinana Thu 27-Aug-15 15:37:35

I think the reason for the difference in 'It was fun' and 'It was enjoyable' is that 'fun' is a noun and 'enjoyable' is an adjective. You can't say 'such enjoyable' but you can say 'such enjoyment'. The adverb 'so' can modify an adjective, but not a noun. 'Such' is needed to modify a noun. Therefore:

So beautiful, so funny, so tragic .
Such beauty, such fun, such tragedy.

The difficulty lies with the evolution of the language (as ever! grin), so that these days 'fun' is being used as an adjective - "It was such a fun day" - but we haven't yet completely caught up with this in our heads, and won't allow an adverb to qualify it, even when it's being used as an adjective.

rosesarered Thu 27-Aug-15 14:48:58

Such fun!

MaizieD Thu 27-Aug-15 14:42:04

I think you either accept that people are going to mangle the language you were brought up to speak, or you find it very annoying. I find it annoying. It takes all sorts...

Jane10 Wed 26-Aug-15 21:21:09

Nobody ever said English grammar was consistent or even logical. We just know when it sounds wrong!

thatbags Wed 26-Aug-15 21:13:20

It was fun. Tick.
It was enjoyable. Tick.
It was so enjoyable! Tick.
It was so fun! Apparently no tick. Why not?

janerowena Wed 26-Aug-15 21:01:09

I had supper last night with a friend who has just returned from a convention in Los Angeles. She told me that one event was 'so fun' and I felt like screaming!

Americanisms must be as catching as the bubonic plague.

Jane10 Wed 26-Aug-15 20:53:21

You did retrieve it. Write out must try harder 100 times!

thatbags Wed 26-Aug-15 20:46:16

Only nearly, j10? Rats! Another failure to chalk up.

Jane10 Wed 26-Aug-15 20:38:53

Wow thatbags - can't believe you were nearly being pedantic about pedantry! grin

rosesarered Wed 26-Aug-15 20:30:35

Or Cornish -isms, or Norfolk-isms, or.........

rosesarered Wed 26-Aug-15 20:29:08

And we haven't even started on Scottish-isms yet, or Welsh-isms or Nothern Ireland -isms.grin

thatbags Wed 26-Aug-15 20:22:08

There are a lot of very easily irritated people about, 'twould seem.

thatbags Wed 26-Aug-15 20:21:06

Actually nitpicking is probably right. As you were with your nitpicking. #pedantryforfree!

I think I was thinking of a grammarian rather than a pedant.