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Fewer or less...

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thatbags Sun 20-Mar-16 06:57:33

...in this sentence?

"The elevation of Stephen Crabb, himself a leadership candidate, into Mr Duncan Smith's position, means there will be one less card to shuffle."

I tripped over the word 'less' (I nearly always do, it is used wrongly so often), but somehow in this sentence it almost seems right because "one fewer card" just seems clumsy.

Thoughts, anyone?

janeainsworth Sun 20-Mar-16 07:24:42

Well Bags you have sent me scurrying to Oxford dictionary
www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/less-or-fewer
In brief, it appears that fewer is correct when referring to plural objects that can be counted, and less when referring to a singular mass.
So are we referring to Mr Crabb, a singular mass, or a plural pack of cards in your sentence?
I think the latter, clumsy though it seems.

thatbags Sun 20-Mar-16 13:24:31

That's what I thought, jane. But in this instance 'less' just doesn't seem wrong. Maybe I've been corrupted by too many lesses...

Jane10 Sun 20-Mar-16 13:29:13

Thanks for this. I'm always confused about the rules regarding 'fewer' and 'less' !

Ana Sun 20-Mar-16 13:34:11

We tend to say 'that's one less thing to worry about' when we mean there are several, though. 'That's one fewer thing to worry about' just sounds...wrong!

Indinana Sun 20-Mar-16 13:38:33

I always stumble at a wrongly used 'less'. It seems to be widely assumed that 'less' and 'fewer' are interchangeable which, of course, they're not. In that sentence 'fewer' should be used, but it sounds very wrong to my ears.

baubles Sun 20-Mar-16 13:53:05

'Fewer horses mean less sh**e' as a rather uncouth teacher of English used to take delight in telling his class.

I agree that less sounds better in that context bags

Maranta Sun 20-Mar-16 14:51:42

I think that before long the word 'fewer' will have disappeared. People don't seem to know when to use it, so they don't. Shame really, but language evolves (shrug).

Badenkate Sun 20-Mar-16 15:00:23

I think it's more complex than the simple rule that countable nouns take 'fewer' and uncountable take 'less'. It seems to me that when we are talking about 'one' then we more comfortably use 'less': for example: 'that's one less to worry about'; 'one less cup to break' etc. This must be true, because everyone so far has said that this sounds better to them than using 'fewer'. We also say 'there's one less reason' not 'there's one fewer reason'.