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Am I getting old and pedantic?

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BluebellGran Fri 31-Mar-17 18:40:06

I'm trying to resist commenting to anyone who's listening when I hear on the radio or television, 'ter' instead of 'to', or 'fer' instead of 'for' or 'try and' instead of 'try to.'

If I started this comment with 'so,' would I be more fashionable? Grrrrrr!

GadaboutGran Sun 02-Apr-17 23:20:35

Going back to So: Academics seem to have started this when about to explain something. It was pointed out to me by one that Seamus Heaney began his translation of Anglo-Saxon Beowulf with "So" Here's what google says about it:

"Conventional renderings of hwæt, the first word of the poem, tend towards the archaic literary, with ‘lo’, ‘hark’, ‘behold’, ‘attend’ and – more colloquially – ‘listen’ being some of the solutions offered previously. But in Hiberno-English Scullion-speak, the particle ‘so’ came naturally to the rescue, because in that idiom ‘so’ operates as an expression that obliterates all previous discourse and narrative, and at the same time functions as an exclamation calling for immediate attention. So, ‘so’ it was:

'So. The Spear-Danes in days gone by
and the kings who ruled them had courage and greatness.'"

Marje Sun 02-Apr-17 21:31:00

How about "my bad" meaning "I've made a mistake". I find that I figure out the meaning of something new when I've heard it a few times (or I ask my grandchildren!)

M0nica Sun 02-Apr-17 21:26:43

There is a reason we are not all speaking Anglo-Saxon. It is because language has developed and evolved with every generation since it became the language of this country. Read the dialogue in any Victorian novel and notice how stilted it sounds compared with modern conversation, but that was how conversational English sounded then.

very generation will change the language to make it theirs and every previous generation will complain about it.

MaizieD Sun 02-Apr-17 21:16:51

Oh dear, loopyloo. We had an teacher at secondary school who used to make us chant 'All right is not all right unless it is spelled as two words'

I'm afraid I've only spelled it as two words today in deference to your distaste for 'alright' sad

TriciaF Sun 02-Apr-17 20:44:16

Maybe it takes the place of 'er'?

loopyloo Sun 02-Apr-17 20:39:20

Something that annoys me is calling a baby a newborn. When did it become a noun ?
And confusing disinterested and uninterested. Oh and Alright spelt as one word.

MaizieD Sun 02-Apr-17 20:35:42

I'm getting very vexed about misused prepositions. 'Different to' has annoyed me for a long time; if you (or something) are differing you're moving away 'from' whatever it is; as opposed to 'similar to' where views or characteristics are coming together.

But newer ones like 'forbidden from'. You're banned from doing something but you're forbidden to do it.

And the unnecessary 'of' as in 'People who live outside of the city' No, no, they just live outside it. The only time you need 'of' if when you're using it with 'the'. The outside of the box. (this applies to 'inside' as well)

I know I'm getting old and I've always been pedantic. I don't really care!

Legs55 Sun 02-Apr-17 20:23:54

You guys drives me up the wall, our Estate Agent used it all the time. We had 2 Agents to value the property, both in their 30s? who used it. Grrr, I'm a ladyhmm & my DH a man.

Dialect is totally different, some might regard it as lazy but I love to hear it

AlgeswifeVal Sun 02-Apr-17 20:23:41

The expression, 'any time soon'. I hear this frequently but I think it's weird. An example,' he won't be appearing any time soon' is this English or made up slang?

sarahellenwhitney Sun 02-Apr-17 19:44:08

How about I was 'like' going to go out or It was 'like' raining so I didn't go out .Why? the need for 'like'.confused

valeriej43 Sun 02-Apr-17 19:27:01

I am very glad that i am not the only one like this, i have to really stop myself from correcting peoples grammar,
Yous is also a Geordie expression,
I also hate people saying "of" istead of have, and i cannot understand how anyone can mistake "defiantly" for "definitely"
Another thing people have started saying is "guy" instead of "man"another Americanism?

Chewing19Fescue Sun 02-Apr-17 19:19:05

Apart from the ubiquitous 'like' which has not gone away in our corner of Somerset. "I was like in the garden." I find 'th' pronounced as 'f' as in "I fink he's in the garden " is spreading. Often in deadly combination 'think' instead of "thing" as in "I heard somefink in the garden last night" I feel I am a bad person for noticing this.

starlily106 Sun 02-Apr-17 19:06:51

I don't understand why people say something is 'for free'. Why not just 'free' ?

Linbrikat Sun 02-Apr-17 19:01:03

The Americanism that I find strangest is when they say 'I could care less' when in fact they mean (as we say) 'I couldn't care less'.

Badenkate Sun 02-Apr-17 19:00:51

You're absolutely right Grandmama, because there is a double possessive in that sentence.

cassandra264 Sun 02-Apr-17 18:49:04

I hate the Americanism 'you guys'. it can apply to both sexes, I know - but I still hate it.

I will make a cup of tea for someone - not a cuppa tea.

And I was taught in school to say' different from' not' different to' or 'different than'.I understand all are now acceptable.

I've always been old and pedantic. From the age of eight or thereabouts.....

Grandmama Sun 02-Apr-17 18:21:11

Yes, I'm a pedant (and proud of it!). I'm trying to think of an example of apostrophe + s which I've read in articles and I think it is incorrect:

"It belonged to the family of his mother's".

Not a good example but the best I can do. The apostrophe + s is not necessary.

widgeon3 Sun 02-Apr-17 18:10:59

... and no one has said " He was sat in a chair" or " We were stood in a corner"
I think they are dreadful but then I come from West Lancashire if that is significant ( unless you prefer 'if that be significant'

Castafiore Sun 02-Apr-17 18:06:58

In connected speech we use weak forms in non-stressed syllables. - not 'for' but 'fe', not 'of' but 'ev', not 'to' but 'te' (the sound of the vowel changes to the 'schwa'). If you don't use the weak form it sounds as if you are stressing the preposition (or article in the case of 'the and 'a' or 'an'). I want A cup OF tea. I'm going FOR A walk. If you teach English to foreign learners, you teach them to use these weak forms, as it sounds unnatural not to. I don't see a problem with 'try and', although its use does seem to be restricted to the present tense.

thatbags Sun 02-Apr-17 17:20:30

Prolly is.

As well as all the other places it's used.

Charleygirl Sun 02-Apr-17 16:56:00

I thought that "yous" was a southern Ireland expression.

Riverwalk Sun 02-Apr-17 16:51:59

Goodness Bonnie how many English people, or any other nationality, do you meet who've fallen and described the event, so much that it drives you mad? shock

Maybe you work in a fracture clinic.

MawBroon Sun 02-Apr-17 16:50:31

There are certain questions to which there is only ONE answer.
This is one.
Another is "Does my bum look big in this?"
If you still don't know what that ONE answer is, on your own head be it. grin

BonnieBlooming Sun 02-Apr-17 16:46:47

I hate the way a lot of English people say " I fell on the floor " when talking about falling outside. Sure
they fell on the ground? A floor is something you have inside. Drives me mad!

Ana Sun 02-Apr-17 16:04:50

I think most people usually just say probly when speaking conversationally. I do, anyway...