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Lay or lie?

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lizzypopbottle Sun 04-Mar-18 15:59:31

As far as I'm concerned 'to lay' is a transitive verb used with a direct object e.g. The hen lays eggs. 'To lie' (not meaning tell an untruth) is an intransitive verb used without a direct object e.g. I lie down to sleep. If I lay down in bed, I did it last night, i.e. past tense of the verb to lie. I might lay a book down, in which case the book is the object so 'to lay' is fine. If I tell someone to lay down, that's wrong but it's creeping in to everyday speech and writing. I don't like it.

lemongrove Thu 30-Aug-18 20:31:03

just off to lay the table!

parse the salt? grin

pollyperkins Thu 30-Aug-18 17:44:17

Absolutely Nanny27. Thats how I pronounce it too. Well explained.

Nanny27 Thu 30-Aug-18 14:30:33

I pronounce the first part of theatre to rhyme with fear. It just sounds so much better to me but I wasn’t saying that I’m correct just that the other pronunciation ‘thee - etter’ Sounds odd to me.

kathsue Mon 20-Aug-18 22:29:39

My pet hate is people saying 'I have wrote' instead of 'I have written' or 'I wrote'.

Melanieeastanglia Mon 20-Aug-18 22:08:19

I agree with you lizzypopbottle and many of the other people posting.

Bathsheba Mon 20-Aug-18 22:03:20

Well it seems, at least according to the Cambridge Dictionary, that THEE-a-ter is right.

Bathsheba Mon 20-Aug-18 21:59:16

My DH says thee-ETT-er, but I've always felt the correct pronunciation is THEE-a-ter.

MissAdventure Mon 20-Aug-18 20:55:05

grin
I think I used to say Thee-ett-er... now I say it the other way.

Eglantine21 Mon 20-Aug-18 20:22:30

Thee-ay-ter?

As in the poem “Matilda”?

It happened that a few weeks later
Her aunt was off to the theatre..........

Elegran Mon 20-Aug-18 19:22:55

I would say thee-ETT-er. what would everyone else say? I hear THEE-ter a lot.

pollyperkins Mon 20-Aug-18 18:29:34

Nanny27 how do you think tbeatre should be pronounced?

Elegran Mon 20-Aug-18 18:15:37

You can lay an egg, lay something down, lay concrete or slabs, even lay a lover, but you yourself lie down in the present, and only lay down in the past.

That egg may be new-laid, your patio paving may be well-laid and your lover be well and truly laid. Both of you may even need to lie down for a while to recover. You won't need to lay down, unless you lay down the law.

You are lying down now, you lay down earlier, you have lain around for hours. If you have laid, it is the egg, the paving, or the lover. Time to crow?

Elrel Mon 20-Aug-18 17:37:10

Surprised while watching 'Unforgotten' last night that a well educated character said 'lay' for 'lie'.

OldMeg Tue 06-Mar-18 12:25:45

The ‘haitch’ that is.

OldMeg Tue 06-Mar-18 12:25:12

Me too/also Nanny27 especially on BBC where I expect them to talk proper!

Nanny27 Tue 06-Mar-18 09:01:01

Also, (on a roll now) my mil talks about 'thee-etre' when describing the place you see a dramatic performance. I'm not actually sure whether or not it is incorrect but it really grates. What do others think?

Nanny27 Tue 06-Mar-18 08:58:00

I know this comes up regularly but, every time I hear 'haitch' i weep inside.

MawBroon Tue 06-Mar-18 06:54:06

Or even “May I.....”?

mh58 Tue 06-Mar-18 06:46:45

Penygirl, I agree. I just hate to hear, “Can I get.....” when asking for food or drink. It has to be, “Can I please have....”.

giulia Tue 06-Mar-18 05:10:27

annifrance One of mine too.

grandtanteJE65 "It's a foregone conclusion" is what I still say. You're right.

Jalima1108 Tue 06-Mar-18 00:40:00

I'm never sure if I am laying or lying

Well, if you say "I was led on the bed" it solves the dilemma!
grin

Greengage Mon 05-Mar-18 23:28:39

My pet hate is when people say 'under the circumstances'. I always say 'in the circumstances'. Circum means around or surrounding so 'under' just doesn't make sense.

MawBroon Mon 05-Mar-18 23:24:05

American

MissAdventure Mon 05-Mar-18 23:09:31

The song 'Chasing Cars', then, is wrong?
"If I lay here.. if I just lay here. Would you lay with me and just forget the world?"
A pair of chickens?

MissAdventure Mon 05-Mar-18 23:07:08

Right. Thank you! That sounds simple enough. smile