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Swaddling bands.

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grandtanteJE65 Thu 27-Dec-18 14:46:51

for 2 read " in both instances. I can't type today, sorry.

grandtanteJE65 Thu 27-Dec-18 14:44:33

Sorry that 2 should have been "

grandtanteJE65 Thu 27-Dec-18 14:43:59

In my childhood in Scotland you heard both pronunciations. Chambers Dictionary defines "swaddle" as "to swathe" and has "swathing bands" under "swathe" so that is probably how the confusion arose. I admit I have never seen a printed version of "While Shepherds watched2 that had 2swathing bands"

Likewise half of Scotland maintained (at least when hymn-singing) that "Christ was born in Isr -eye- el" while the rest sang "Is-ray-el"

You pays your money and you takes your choice! Or rather in the West of Scotland: youse pays your money and yous take your choice.

sodapop Mon 24-Dec-18 17:23:19

Yes definitely 'swathing bands ' Kings has to be correct.

Ilovecheese Mon 24-Dec-18 16:14:49

Just listened to Carol's from Kings on the radio. Definitely swathing bands at Kings.

Allegretto Mon 24-Dec-18 15:42:37

I’m for ‘swathing bands’.

Jalima1108 Mon 24-Dec-18 15:25:17

Definitely not swadling bands - swaddling to rhyme with waddling, yes.

I've sung the 'swathing bands' version too and in fact that that seems to flow better than swaddling.

MaizieD Mon 24-Dec-18 15:12:01

I can never remember if it's swathing bands or swaddling bands (as the two are just about interchangeable) but 'swadling' to rhyme with 'cradling' is just plain silly. tchshock

Technically, the probability is that a vowel followed by two consonants indicates a 'short' vowel sound. (And, 'a' after a 'w' is almost always said as 'o' as in 'orange') Note that MM removed a 'd' to help us understand the odd pronunciation more clearly. Start messing about with doubled consonants and English becomes even more difficult to learn to read and spell.

I feel very strongly about this as I taught phonics and studied in some depth.

merlotgran Mon 24-Dec-18 14:58:04

Swathing bands as far as I can remember.

MissAdventure Mon 24-Dec-18 14:41:47

Swathing makes sense, now I come to think of it.

Grannybags Mon 24-Dec-18 14:41:34

I've only ever sung swaddling to rhyme with waddling

Grandma70s Mon 24-Dec-18 14:40:19

Swathe has the advantage of being a much easier word to sing than swaddle, and they mean the same thing,

Grandma70s Mon 24-Dec-18 14:37:22

I’ve definitely sung the ‘swathing bands’ version.

FountainPen Mon 24-Dec-18 14:14:59

Interesting. Swaddling derives from the noun and verb swathe and appears in 17C poems rhymed (or arguably half-rhymed) with sable and saddle. 17C spelling also has it as swadling.

The text of the carol first appeared in 1700 and includes the term swathing bands:

All meanly wrapt in swathing bands
And in a manger laid

Perhaps a music scholar is attempting to relate the term back to how it might have been pronounced 300 years ago.

Melanieeastanglia Mon 24-Dec-18 13:50:41

I would not pronounce this word to rhyme with "cradling" but language changes all the time, I suppose.

phoenix Mon 24-Dec-18 13:49:57

"Swaddling" to rhyme with "waddling" surely?

I've never heard it pronounced any other way!

MissAdventure Mon 24-Dec-18 13:49:48

This is just too much!
I like things and words to always stay the same!

Ilovecheese Mon 24-Dec-18 13:45:45

I have heard them called 'swaything bands' on a Carol recording.

MiniMoon Mon 24-Dec-18 13:42:45

I don't know whether to put this here or in AIBU!
I've just been listening to the carols on Classic FM. A choir was singing While Shepherds Watched Their Flocks By Night.
They got to the line "all meanly wrapped in swaddling bands", but pronounced swaddling as swadling to rhyme with cradling. Since when has the pronunciation changed, or is it just this choir?