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Inaccuracies in books

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Farmor15 Fri 18-Jan-19 11:56:55

Does anyone else get distracted when reading novels by mistakes? Not spelling or grammar errors but mistakes about the past. I know authors of fiction can alter some things for the sake of the story, but I'll give some examples of things I've read recently that I found annoying:

In an historical novel by Ian Mortimer he described a workhouse in 1740s England - workhouses didn't start till 1800s. In the same book, the main character was going to a cinema in 1942 - and the sign said "Screen One". To my knowledge, this term only started being used in 1970s/80s when the multiplexes started.

I'm now reading "The Heart's Invisible Furies" and while I'm enjoying it, and realise it's a kind of fantasy novel, it still annoys me that 50 pence pocket money was being given in 1959, when it would have been 10 shillings.

When I find these kind of errors, I look at the author profile, and usually find they are relatively young, so writing about times they haven't lived through.

I think this just means I'm a pedant, but can't help it!

Jalima1108 Sat 19-Jan-19 17:16:51

due to wrong diagnosis shock
the cough obviously wasn't as serious as first thought grin

MadeInYorkshire Sat 19-Jan-19 17:08:37

This was defiantly as good as chester draws ....

BlueSapphire Sat 19-Jan-19 17:06:36

I have been quite put off seeing the new Mary Queen of Scots film because of Mary's strong Scottish accent. I cannot help but think that, having been brought up in the French court, she would have spoken with a French accent.

Neilspurgeon0 Sat 19-Jan-19 17:03:46

Jalimal108 and bluebelle in Maori the land if the long white cloud is aotearoa. The author even managed to spell that wrongly at least once as A-atearoa. I think the problem is that we no longer really have decently educated sub-editors at publishers, they all do English Lit where in the old days they all went to Grammar Schools and learned Latin, History and English language to a decent standard before going on to our joke universities.

MadeInYorkshire Sat 19-Jan-19 16:54:54

Blimey, I should have proof read that before I pressed post message too!

MadeInYorkshire Sat 19-Jan-19 16:53:29

sadly I haven't been able to read a book for some years now as I can't hold one very easily now ... I tried a Kindle and couldn't concentrate and have just had Alexa start to read me a book, but it was in her own voice, after around 5 sentences I gave up - YUK! I loved Phillipa Gregory and Alison Weir and I really do miss books sad ....

On a slightly different note, I do a fair bit of buying and selling on Facebook, and my favourite is most definitely (usually spelled DEFIANTLY, "chester draws"! There was another fabulous one too which I will see if I can find and copy it in here as I can't quite remember how it went!

MadeInYorkshire Sat 19-Jan-19 16:29:26

Ha, ha, I always remember my Dad complaining about Richard Burton - the Welsh accented Roman etc! He couldn't bare him because he never changed his accent at all! (I suspect my mother found him quite appealing mind .... ) and I think he had a lovely voice when he was just being himself smile

GreenGran78 Sat 19-Jan-19 16:13:19

ReadyMeals. with reference to 'the wrong animal sounds' I remember Percy Edwards, the late lamented animal impersonator, telling an amusing story. The film he was working on involved a large number of buffalo being driven over a cliff, and Percy was asked to provide suitable sounds. The film-makers weren't satisfied with their everyday grunts, and asked him to demonstrate some others. Eventually they selected one, which was actually the sound that the male animals made when mating.
Therefore, in the film, the buffalo all fell to their deaths bellowing, "I love you".

Jalima1108 Sat 19-Jan-19 16:01:41

calculated using the date 1901

Jalima1108 Sat 19-Jan-19 16:01:24

I think 2d old money is only about the equivalent of £1 today

GreenGran78 Sat 19-Jan-19 15:54:48

The Mary Poppins "Feed the birds, tuppence a bag" always amuses me. The little old bird woman must have been very wealthy, as the equivalent price now would be something like £70!

Jalima1108 Sat 19-Jan-19 15:37:25

I will try it again notgoneyet - I hadn't realised there is a third book.

Peardrop grin
the ones near us have a Bristol accent.

Peardrop50 Sat 19-Jan-19 15:02:53

Slightly off topic but relative to future generations believing what they see and hear, a certain tv ad does not seem to know that meerkats are not Russian.

notgoneyet Sat 19-Jan-19 14:48:09

Jalima I loved the trilogy of In the Land of the Long White Cloud, even though I too find many mistakes in books. I was a typesetter (& therefore also a proofreader) for many years, so finding errors is almost an occupational hazard!

toscalily Sat 19-Jan-19 14:43:23

Definitely get annoyed when I discover an inaccuracy, especially when it is one from within my own life time. Another pet hate of mine is when watching a film or TV programme portraying a certain season of the year and you know that the trees, plants would not have been in flower or leaf at that time of year or it is supposed to be the depths of winter and it looks like summer confused

Jalima1108 Sat 19-Jan-19 14:06:13

I have no idea why you are addressing me sarahellenwhitney - there are 65 posts on this thread of which I have posted only three of a critical nature.

Re the Richard Burton film - if he had spoken in German most people wouldn't have understood the film; if he had spoken with a German accent to other Germans one could ask 'Why'?

And thirdly, Richard Burton had a beautiful Welsh voice; I never thought of him as having a perfect English accent

confused

sarahellenwhitney Sat 19-Jan-19 14:01:13

Jalimal108 Are we not 21c far too critical instead of just sitting back and enjoy what we watch or read without pulling it to pieces.?
I recall watching a film with the actor Richard Burton, cast as a German officer.?It did not get me in a twist listening to his perfect English accent, more befitting to a member of the British stately home gentry, when he was giving out orders to his fellow German comrades.

Jalima1108 Sat 19-Jan-19 14:01:11

How does she find the time to write so many books anyway; she's supposed to be representing the needs of her constituency full time!
Probably because they are not the same person quizqueen grin

Lynne Truss is a journalist and author
Elizabeth (Liz) Truss is an MP

willa45 Sat 19-Jan-19 13:59:25

Not just novels.....a lot of films portray mistakes about the past too. I don't give it much importance and toss it up as part of the fantasy. My H always jokes that if you want to enjoy an action movie these days, you need to put on your 'nine year old hat' and pretend your watching a cartoon!

quizqueen Sat 19-Jan-19 13:58:16

I am just reading 'Cat out of Hell' by Lynne Truss and, if this is how the mind of one our current politicians works, then heaven help us more than I thought already! How does she find the time to write so many books anyway; she's supposed to be representing the needs of her constituency full time! Not only is it one of the most ridiculous stories I've ever had the misfortune to read, I also don't agree with much of her use of punctuation (particularly her regular inclusion of a comma before the word 'and'). This is the same author of 'Eats, shoots and leaves' fame.

HootyMcOwlface Sat 19-Jan-19 13:57:37

Exactly Saggi, 10 shillings was a fortune! I used to get 3d and then 6d mid to end of the 60s.

sodapop Sat 19-Jan-19 13:40:07

That's right Saggi I got 1shilling pocket money and thought I was lucky.

Saggi Sat 19-Jan-19 13:29:17

On another point Farmor15.... who the hell got 10/- pocket money in 1959.....I was 8 then and my pocket money was 2/- or ten pence in new money. 10/- ?!? we kids would’ve thought our parents had gone barmy!!!

grandtanteJE65 Sat 19-Jan-19 13:06:26

I can assure you science was taught in Scottish schools long before 1988- My school days were from 1956 to 1968!

We had both biology, botany, physics and chemistry taught as separate subjects and I never heard of a school that didn't. Mine was an all-girls' school too.

grandtanteJE65 Sat 19-Jan-19 13:02:03

And of course the meeting between Mary, Queen of Scots and Elizabeth Tudor was an invention of the German poet and playwright Schiller!

I was considerably annoyed by Norah Lofts having a Viking who invaded East Anglia just after the Roman legions were recalled in 410 A. D. coming from Copenhagen, a city that was not founded until 1167! I felt that recourse to any guide book to Denmark would have prevented that particular error.