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‘A’

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Lizzie66 Tue 24-Sept-19 09:43:49

the letter A is a small sound. why then do otherwise well spoken people decide to make it into a big important word. Newsreaders state ‘Ai row broke out’ or ‘There is ‘Ai long wait’
For goodness sake, they sound as if they are just learning the language and haven’t got it quite right. I say this because it’s how small children say ‘A’ when reading aloud. When I was reading my Janet and John book at primary school I would most certainly been corrected had I read ‘A’ instead of ‘Uh’
What’s the matter with ‘em? It’s quite a new thing and sounds strained to me as it interrupts the flow of the sentence
I have more, but as I’m new here I’ll shut up for now I case I sound TOO pedantic.
Oh, incidentally,
Hello everyone.

cas58 Sat 28-Sept-19 09:16:16

When we look at “a” we pronounce it /ā/, or “ayy.” This is the first letter of the alphabet, and when looking at the isolated letter, we’ll refer to it by its name: the way we say it when we begin to recite the alphabet. This is known as a long vowel sound, because it says the “name” of the letter. The same goes for the other vowels.

A short vowel sound is a vowel sound that does not follow this rule. When reading a word that uses a short vowel sound, will say the sound that the letter can make that is not its actual name. So in the case of “A,” the word “main” might have a long “A” sound because we pronounce the “A” as /ā/, whereas the word “man” has a short vowel sound.

oodles Wed 25-Sept-19 10:16:23

The letter A and the article a are 2 different words. Hence saying ay for the A1. No one.eould say mmm 1, it's the name of the letter. Interesting about the sat nav though

Nanny27 Wed 25-Sept-19 08:25:24

Haitch makes my teeth itch along with mis-chee-vious.

Nanny27 Wed 25-Sept-19 08:24:18

Aah the good old 'Chester draws'. We could buy it to go with the 'free peace sweet' (honestly)

Purpledaffodil Wed 25-Sept-19 07:40:39

justwokeup I have seen an advertisement on.FB Marketplace for a “chester draws”.?

grannybuy Tue 24-Sept-19 23:31:44

Here, in NE Scotland, it's a very definite 'a' as in cat

justwokeup Tue 24-Sept-19 23:13:11

Oh but Bathsheba it's lovely to have a rant! I hate to hear 'draw' instead of 'drawer'. It has 2 syllables! I've even seen it written 'draw' in a furniture catalogue. I have to agree with 'uh' by the way, sounds right to me, although I have to admit I pronounce it both ways (as in 'have a rant' and 'a furniture catalogue') confused.

CanadianGran Tue 24-Sept-19 20:27:41

I believe I say 'ah', but of course my Canadian 'ah' would be different from someone from London. It may be different from someone on the other side of Canada.

If I said ' I have a cat', the sound in 'a' is less sharp than in 'cat'. A slight difference, but there.

One thing I have noticed is the pronunciation of Graham. I live on Gray-um Avenue, but have notice some younger generation pronouncing it gram. It's an American pronunciation.

Bathsheba Tue 24-Sept-19 19:49:31

Another thread on a specific topic in Pedants' Corner that just degenerates into a litany of the same old same old 'pet hates'. Read one thread in this forum and you've read 'em all <sigh>

kircubbin2000 Tue 24-Sept-19 19:35:49

We were debating when the clock goes back and we lose an hour, pronounced R here. An English friend was very confused until the penny dropped.oh, he said condescendingly, you mean an ow eer!

Barmeyoldbat Tue 24-Sept-19 19:23:12

My biggest bug bear is a certain female newsreader who pronounce year as your. Drives me mad.

kircubbin2000 Tue 24-Sept-19 19:08:49

In N I only Catholics pronounce the H. Don't really know why but easy way to know where you went to school!

rubysong Tue 24-Sept-19 18:57:46

Welcome Lizzie 66. What gets my goat is when the word sixth is pronounced sickth. Sixth is not difficult to say.

Booksnbeer Tue 24-Sept-19 18:24:02

Seriously....I wish I had this much time to waste on such a discussion ???

Chezabella Tue 24-Sept-19 17:08:30

My pet hate at the moment is that woman who interrupts everything I listen to on the car radio with "Chaffic updates". The awful weather today made driving conditions very difficult for people around here with slow moving 'chaffic' and 'chaffic' congestion on the motorways, grrrr!

Lizzie66 Tue 24-Sept-19 16:03:07

Well pantglas2, that gives a whole new meaning to the command ‘Go to your rum’ . I’d say ‘Certainly, ‘Bye’.
I think you’ll find though that aristos and the ‘Top’ layers of society pronounce room as ‘Rum’ Just as they do ‘Rarely’ for ‘Really’ and ‘Sinjun’ for ‘St John’. To name but 2..
I’ve seen ‘Mousetrap’ in the theatre and loved it.Amazing that after all these years the audience was still asked not to reveal the murderer to anyone. (I never did)
Bit daft, but fun.

Legs55 Tue 24-Sept-19 15:50:45

I think a lot of pronunciation is down to regional accents. I am from Yorkshire but when I lived in Surrey I picked up the baath instead of bath. Happily now I'm in the West Country I've reverted to bath againgrin

I always say a as in apple or at least I think I do , not sure where uh comes from but I've never knowingly used that pronunciation for a confused

Shinyredcar Tue 24-Sept-19 15:47:10

Oh, go on, then. What about plitical, compluhcated or even complercay-id?

I was always taught that missing out 't' in words was scruffy and the result of rushing. But it's much harder to say si-ing than sitting. And Nick Robinson's Mancunian time-checks make me laugh - it's haff pust seven.

(Isn't is hard to persuade your spell-check to let you write these weirdies?!)

madnanna Tue 24-Sept-19 15:43:02

What about newsreaders and media calling it "Bregsit",when it should be "Brexit" !!!!!

4allweknow Tue 24-Sept-19 14:42:20

I am sitting here Ai ing, uh ing and A ing. Basically I think I don't know what I say when now.

Pantglas2 Tue 24-Sept-19 14:35:16

Went to see Agatha Christie’s Mousetrap and the pronunciation of the word ‘room’ was strange to our Welsh ears! ‘Rum’ is what we heard whereas we’d say ‘rwm’ - but then we say ‘bath’ not ‘baath’!

Paperbackwriter Tue 24-Sept-19 14:26:10

I haven't noticed any problems with "A" but when someone pronounces "H" as "Haitch" instead of "Aitch" it makes me growl.

NotSpaghetti Tue 24-Sept-19 13:48:48

oldgaijin ?

Grannyrebel Tue 24-Sept-19 13:48:36

I've just been to see Downton Abbey and all the above stairs people speak beautifully. I loved it!

oldgaijin Tue 24-Sept-19 13:37:58

Don't get me started on the HAITCH!!!