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"of" for "have" ?

(25 Posts)
Jomarie Sat 01-Feb-20 18:06:33

I'm sure this must have been aired before but it really really annoys me when perfectly good threads and responses are littered with "of" when "have" should be used!!!
Feel better now for having shared this grin

Bridgeit Sat 01-Feb-20 18:37:27

Apparently it’s ok when spoken, but not when written.
So you are quite within your rights to feel annoyed🙂 best wishes.

craftyone Sat 01-Feb-20 18:41:28

I don`t feel annoyed but assume that the writer has not had a good enough education and I make allowances. It is sloppy writing

GagaJo Sat 01-Feb-20 19:09:11

Grrrrrrrrr, drives me NUTS! I'm an English teacher and it is worse in areas where the pronunciation is indistinct. People pretty much write what they hear.

In ONE part of the UK I worked in, the pronunciation of the pronoun, I, was A (as in a for apple). Consequently, students would write A instead of I.

Riverwalk Sat 01-Feb-20 19:16:53

The mystery to me is that 'could of' in the written form is relatively new, is it not?

Could of/could've in the spoken form would be indistinct from each other but I just can't fathom how it came to be written down as 'could of'.

It's become so common it doesn't bother me, just as loose/lose!

vampirequeen Sat 01-Feb-20 20:06:09

I live in an area where the accent pronounces 'they' and 'there' in the same way. Total nightmare when I was teaching.

M0nica Sat 01-Feb-20 20:43:20

DD used to do it as a child, despite all I did to ensure she used correct grammar. Thankfully, in the end she grew out of it, but she still does it on occasion to see my reaction, but I have grown wise and know that 'she only does it to annoy because she knows it teases' so I ignore it.

GagaJo Sat 01-Feb-20 20:56:03

With my daughter it was water, with no T. I'm not posh and have no desire to lose my accent BUT that particular error drove me batty. Like your DD Monika, she will still occasionally do it. I refuse to rise to the bait now.

oldgimmer1 Sat 01-Feb-20 21:03:21

I think social media has played a large part in sloppy writing.

I don't understand how could of gets written down as it's obviously incorrect.

In speech, understandable.

sodapop Sat 01-Feb-20 21:55:45

It irritates me too in both written and spoken forms.

Ngaio1 Sat 01-Feb-20 22:05:12

There are so many of these are there not? I wish people would not say or write "I, personally" or "Personally, I". Have they never heard of Tautology?

Grammaretto Sat 01-Feb-20 23:25:13

We have a young Frenchman living with us who works locally and is learning the vernacular. So wa-er for water is commonplace GagaJo. In fact I might say that the double T is hardly ever sounded.

He knows how the words are supposed to be pronounced but teases us with the local dialect.

Could've/of and would've/of, yeah well. It's pre--y bad.

Pittcity Sun 02-Feb-20 09:03:05

Reminds me of the song, "Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda".

lostinfrance Tue 03-Mar-20 14:04:54

I think that because it is used so frequently on social media that others may see it and think that it is correct.

This is only one of the many incorrect spellings I see on facebook.

I also see 'are' for our. Local dialect perhaps.

'as' for has. Again - that is how many people pronounce it here in Yorkshire.

The usual their/there/they're.

It worries me that some people have had such a bad education in basic English.

quizqueen Tue 03-Mar-20 14:33:18

I always believed the word 'have' follows any future or past verb tense but, unfortunately, some people don't know what a verb is, never mind a tense! Luckily, my 8 year old granddaughter attends a very good school, where written grammar and spelling along with good numeracy skills are seen as desirable things to strive for. I am also encouraging her to proofread her homework.

There are so many easy ways to remember things to help correct spelling but wonder if schools teach them. For instance words which go together like hear/ear and here/there, or that plurals don't need apostrophes unless it denotes a possessive. Duh, what's a possessive?

I must admit I hadn't heard of tautology and had to look it up even though I was grammar school educated and took Latin to A level, so always glad to learn something new. Although, surely repeats can be used to stress something.

kircubbin2000 Tue 03-Mar-20 16:21:37

It is uneducated people who speak like this. They probably don't read and haven't seen the words written correctly. Another annoying one I heard today, "has anyone came across my phone, it's went missing."

TrendyNannie6 Tue 03-Mar-20 16:30:36

There are so many things that some people say, the usual ones are Can I lend something. Instead of can I borrow lol or I ain’t seen nuffin lol that one really makes me cringe,

WOODMOUSE49 Tue 03-Mar-20 18:28:01

There are comments about "good schools" and "uneducated children here.

Some children are so immersed in the 'wrong' words at home and with their friends in the playground.

As an ex teacher I and my colleagues taught them what informal and formal language is and when it is acceptable to use the informal.

You would have to take those whose use 'incorrect' terms away from their surroundings permanently for our teaching to have some impact.

Unfortunately, reading books is not recognised as being a worthwhile, interesting and entertaining pastime in some homes.

Well done to those who have left comments on GN saying that they reinforce, with their children and grandchildren, what the schools are trying their best to teach.

Lucca Tue 03-Mar-20 18:33:47

Recently on gransnet a couple of times I’ve seen this word :
“Prolly.”
Is this a hideous misspelling of probably?

Chewbacca Tue 03-Mar-20 19:12:27

Should of, instead of "should have" is very irritating, sets my teeth on edge every time I see it, especially when I have to proof read reports for work purposes and it's repeated time and time again.

Chewbacca Tue 03-Mar-20 19:18:28

Slight derail..... can I add another?

"I seen him", instead of "I saw him" is like nails on blackboard, aaarrgghhh!

Artdecogran Tue 03-Mar-20 19:22:50

I want to add another too. ‘What do you got’! Instead of what do you have.

oldgimmer1 Tue 03-Mar-20 19:23:50

Isn't "prolly" rather posh and Edwardian?

Chewbacca Tue 03-Mar-20 19:37:32

prolly" rather posh and Edwardian

Well there you go! I thought it was just someone being too lazy to write "probably"! grin

annodomini Tue 03-Mar-20 19:57:16

'Probly' and 'Febuerry' are sloppy pronunciations that raise my hackles. They are so often spoken that people who don't read come to believe that they are the only pronunciations.