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Communication skills?

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MissAdventure Thu 18-Jul-24 13:23:51

A colleague of mine used to say "if that makes sense" all the time.

"So, I got the milk out of the fridge, if that makes sense?"

Yes, yes, so far, so good.
Sounds a sensible course of action...

DamaskRose Thu 18-Jul-24 13:20:37

RosiesMaw2

I agree in principle.
My communication skills are second to none, however I would not impress anybody with my prowess as an Olympic athlete.
We each have our own talents and perhaps the fault lies with TV producers who insist on interviews with footballers, rugby “men of the match” , tennis players who have just slogged their guts out for 2 1/2 hours in blazing sun or indeed anybody who is no different to Joe Other in being less than articulate, especially with a mic in his face.

Exactly this.

grandtanteJE65 Thu 18-Jul-24 13:12:16

Germanshepherdsmum

‘Do you know what I mean?’ Is another bugbear. Yes, you’re speaking in English, I do understand English.

Well, I am often tempted to answer that one with, "No, I have not the foggiest idea, as you are expressing yourself so badly!"

"Where shall I begin, Your Majesty?" asked the White Rabbit.

"Begin at the beginning and go on until you reach the end, and then stop."

Sound advice if followed, but it rarely is these days.

Summerfly Thu 18-Jul-24 12:53:19

RosiesMaw2

I agree in principle.
My communication skills are second to none, however I would not impress anybody with my prowess as an Olympic athlete.
We each have our own talents and perhaps the fault lies with TV producers who insist on interviews with footballers, rugby “men of the match” , tennis players who have just slogged their guts out for 2 1/2 hours in blazing sun or indeed anybody who is no different to Joe Other in being less than articulate, especially with a mic in his face.
Sorry! Forgot to paste.

MissAdventure Thu 18-Jul-24 12:51:33

"I turned around and said..."
Or "turnt around and said..."

Summerfly Thu 18-Jul-24 12:50:15

This.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 18-Jul-24 12:46:53

‘Do you know what I mean?’ Is another bugbear. Yes, you’re speaking in English, I do understand English.

mae13 Thu 18-Jul-24 11:44:23

Ah, the ubiquitous "y'know?" No I don't, not being the fount of knowledge that people who insist on peppering sentences with "y'know?" obviously must be.
My Dad, donkey's years ago, met a certain very famous footballer who had been in the World Cup winning team. He said that whilst he was a genius with a football and he was an extremely polite gentleman off the pitch........he was astonishingly inarticulate and could barely put two sentences together, linking words with "y'knows?" incessantly.
They say you should never meet your heroes.

Doodledog Thu 18-Jul-24 10:33:01

The one that I find a bit irritating is when politicians say 'look' before they answer questions. It sounds so 'teacherish' and condescending. 'Now you look here, you dimwits - I will tell you how it is . . .' They all seem to do it - it's not confined to one party, or even one personality type.

As regards sportspeople and so on - I agree with RosiesMaw. Politicians and representatives of 'causes' etc get media training so they come across well. The ability to sound articulate in front of cameras is not expected to come naturally.

Programme makers are aware of this, and will often interview managers in an industrial dispute in book-lined offices, giving them plenty of notice, and then stick a microphone under the nose of a worker who is getting into his car to go home and tell his family he's just been told his job is on the line. It stands to reason that one will seem measured and articulate and the other emotional and angry. Very few people can switch off their feelings and paint on a neutral face and tone of voice if they are upset. Except for psychopaths, maybe grin. That applies to stressful situations of all types, including sport.

Also, often sportspeople are asked about things they don't want to share. They don't necessarily want their views on 'issues' to be known, or some of them do, but don't know as much about them as they think.

We are anonymous on here, and if not I'm sure we wouldn't be as open as we are, or come across as well as we do. It's easy to be articulate when we can type instead of speak, read through before clicking 'post' and consider an opinion before choosing to get involved.

If someone had doorstepped me and asked about my views on the poor communication skills of random people on TV, I'd have, like, um'd and err'd with the best of them, yeah.

Daddima Thu 18-Jul-24 10:08:03

keepingquiet

This isn't a lack of communication skills, it could be anxiety and a feeling of frustration that he was being asked stupid questions, which they often are.

The interviewers often ask ridiculous questions of people who in the end, are good at sport, not always good at talking.

Communication is a two way process. If you want clear answers from people you have to ask them the right questions.

That said, I do believe that over reliance on texting and messaging has left people unable to have a decent conversation.

Speaking and listening was once an examined part of the English GCSE syllabus, until Michael Gove stopped it.

Another important skill in communication is listening! This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine, as so many times I see people wanting to have their say, without paying heed to others’ opinions.

kittylester Thu 18-Jul-24 09:26:30

What maw said.

His 'job' isn't to communicate and he is, presumably, still young.

keepingquiet Thu 18-Jul-24 09:24:33

This isn't a lack of communication skills, it could be anxiety and a feeling of frustration that he was being asked stupid questions, which they often are.

The interviewers often ask ridiculous questions of people who in the end, are good at sport, not always good at talking.

Communication is a two way process. If you want clear answers from people you have to ask them the right questions.

That said, I do believe that over reliance on texting and messaging has left people unable to have a decent conversation.

Speaking and listening was once an examined part of the English GCSE syllabus, until Michael Gove stopped it.

Tuaim Thu 18-Jul-24 09:22:45

Also, information is being delivered more in sound bites now. The numbers of times I have to go back to my different companies/services to get things corrected i.e. they get the wrong title, address name, telephone no. You tell them you want green and they deliver blue. A year or two back I had to execute some quite serious business and out of ten tasks, the firms involved got 9 of them wrong. Fortunately, I kept a tight rein on my side and called them out on it. Excuse: 'clerical error' - my foot!

RosiesMaw2 Thu 18-Jul-24 09:21:09

I agree in principle.
My communication skills are second to none, however I would not impress anybody with my prowess as an Olympic athlete.
We each have our own talents and perhaps the fault lies with TV producers who insist on interviews with footballers, rugby “men of the match” , tennis players who have just slogged their guts out for 2 1/2 hours in blazing sun or indeed anybody who is no different to Joe Other in being less than articulate, especially with a mic in his face.

ExDancer Thu 18-Jul-24 09:12:48

It could be stage fright from being interviewed on TV, and having a big microphone shoved in yoir face is enough to make the most confident talker forget to end their sentences.
I was once interviewed for radio and was mortified by the number of times I said "err" - and its not something I do normally.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 18-Jul-24 09:08:53

I agree. So many young people seem unable to construct sentences without including several totally superfluous ‘like’s.

Cabbie21 Thu 18-Jul-24 09:00:12

I probably wouldn’t post this in any other forum, but I really don’t think it is being pedantic to bemoan poor communication skills.
I have just listened to a TV interview with an athlete going to the Olympics. In a very short clip he used
“ sort of” x 4, ( in front of clear facts )
“ you know” x 3. ( before opinions or feelings so no, we didn’t know).
I hear people unable to finish a sentence, trailing off with “ you know”, or simply a shrug and “Yeah”.
The ability to complete a whole sentence when speaking seems to be rare these days.