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Prince William’s speech

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Grandma70s Tue 28-Jan-25 13:22:07

I realise that pedantry is not important compared to the subject of Prince William’s speech yesterday on Holocaust Memorial Day.

However, he said something about it being a “great honour for Catherine and I” - should be “for Catherine and me”. He also pronounced “deteriorate” as “deteriate”. This is a very common mistake, but I would expect better English from the heir to the throne, who represents us on the world stage. So much for an Eton education.

Allira Thu 30-Jan-25 11:27:26

MaizieD

Allira

I know exactly what you meant, Maizie.

Such a disingenuous statement, Allira grin

No, what you said was very clear!

MaizieD Thu 30-Jan-25 11:27:14

Barleyfields

Well said henetha. He speaks very much as an ordinary person would. I like that.

I'm an 'ordinary person' and I would say 'Mr Maizie and me' in that context.

Oh dear, have I now left the ranks of the 'ordinary'? hmm

Norah Thu 30-Jan-25 11:26:02

Ilovecheese

The very first sentence of the OP stated quite clearly that the message was more important than the grammar.
Not one single post after the first has disagreed.

This.

Ilovecheese Thu 30-Jan-25 11:23:49

The very first sentence of the OP stated quite clearly that the message was more important than the grammar.
Not one single post after the first has disagreed.

MaizieD Thu 30-Jan-25 11:22:38

Allira

I know exactly what you meant, Maizie.

Such a disingenuous statement, Allira grin

Barleyfields Thu 30-Jan-25 11:21:26

Well said henetha. He speaks very much as an ordinary person would. I like that.

Anniebach Thu 30-Jan-25 11:21:07

They nitpick because they are republicans, more interested in
that than grammar

henetha Thu 30-Jan-25 11:15:40

Prince William is not a robot. He makes human errors, just like all of us. The overall message is the important thing.
I fail to understand why some people like to nitpick.

Annofarabia Thu 30-Jan-25 11:12:57

Catherine and I is correct.

Allira Thu 30-Jan-25 10:59:53

Norah

Allira

Perhaps I'm the grumpy one, Norah, but after watching coverage of the 80th Anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz, the extremely moving speeches by survivors and others, which made me weep, seeing a nit-picking thread like this made me wonder what on earth these people would think of Gransnetters.

I don't believe you were grumpy. You disagreed.

I'm not a grammar nerd, I'm more confused by grammar than most. The Nuns would be disappointed I didn't take on my lessons well. smile

Despite what you may think from my posts, I do think grammar is important and one of my DC is an English teacher.

However, in this instance I think the message was far more important and criticising the grammar detracts from that.

#thethoughtpolicewoman

Norah Thu 30-Jan-25 10:56:40

Allira

Perhaps I'm the grumpy one, Norah, but after watching coverage of the 80th Anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz, the extremely moving speeches by survivors and others, which made me weep, seeing a nit-picking thread like this made me wonder what on earth these people would think of Gransnetters.

I don't believe you were grumpy. You disagreed.

I'm not a grammar nerd, I'm more confused by grammar than most. The Nuns would be disappointed I didn't take on my lessons well. smile

Kate54 Thu 30-Jan-25 10:51:03

Content of the speech aside, the grammar was incorrect. I, like many others here, believe it does matter. My argument is always that a teacher teaching English to, for example, a German or French person, would try very hard to provide accurate information. I’ve done it and would never have said ‘it doesn’t matter, say what you like’!
The other reason I believe this stuff matters is that both my fairly successful careers have been based on being able to read, write and communicate clearly in the English language.
If none of it matters, what on earth was the point? Depressing to put it mildly!

Allira Thu 30-Jan-25 10:41:02

I know exactly what you meant, Maizie.

Galaxy Thu 30-Jan-25 10:40:21

Ah I have a soft spot for nerds.

Galaxy Thu 30-Jan-25 10:39:56

Ah

Anniebach Thu 30-Jan-25 10:39:12

If grammar nerds why mock an entire family ?

MaizieD Thu 30-Jan-25 10:36:57

So most posters on this thread are the thought police?

No. Allira. Just the posters telling the others that they should have only been thinking about the Holocaust or the message in William's speech.

The pedants aren't 'thought police' they are grammar nerds...

Allira Thu 30-Jan-25 10:14:58

MaizieD

Anniebach

It causes talk about the grammar not the Holocaust

I think that most people can hold more than one idea in their heads during a given period of time.

I think it’s a bit sad that the thought police have to monitor a pedants’ discussion…

So most posters on this thread are the thought police?

They are just expressing a point of view which they are entitled to do.
Do you always agree with everything stated in an OP, MaizieD?
I thought not 😁

Anniebach Thu 30-Jan-25 09:47:45

But not speak one idea at a time

MaizieD Thu 30-Jan-25 09:44:47

Anniebach

It causes talk about the grammar not the Holocaust

I think that most people can hold more than one idea in their heads during a given period of time.

I think it’s a bit sad that the thought police have to monitor a pedants’ discussion…

Anniebach Thu 30-Jan-25 08:47:00

It causes talk about the grammar not the Holocaust

Allira Wed 29-Jan-25 22:55:08

It's not just me, I think most posters agree - it's nit-picking and content is important.

Allira Wed 29-Jan-25 22:52:27

Perhaps I'm the grumpy one, Norah, but after watching coverage of the 80th Anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz, the extremely moving speeches by survivors and others, which made me weep, seeing a nit-picking thread like this made me wonder what on earth these people would think of Gransnetters.

Norah Wed 29-Jan-25 22:37:10

Allira

Norah

Ilovecheese

I don't agree that this thread is inappropriate, a ban on the tiniest little critical comment about a powerful figure is rather chilling

Indeed.

People can comment, politely, on grammar.

Well, if you think a tiny grammatical error is more important than the message perhaps have missed the message or think it is of no consequence.

Sometimes I read some posts and despair.

Likewise. I despair some posts also.

Sometimes I wonder why posters can't accept other mortals tiny failures. I didn't read any post saying the message was of no consequence.

Allira Wed 29-Jan-25 22:23:37

Norah

Ilovecheese

I don't agree that this thread is inappropriate, a ban on the tiniest little critical comment about a powerful figure is rather chilling

Indeed.

People can comment, politely, on grammar.

Well, if you think a tiny grammatical error is more important than the message perhaps have missed the message or think it is of no consequence.

Sometimes I read some posts and despair.