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It's fewer, fewer, fewer, fewer!

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Aely Wed 11-Jun-25 13:46:02

Fewer people are saying fewer and using less when it is totally inappropriate and I find my self fighting a losing battle and yelling at the television, including at News broadcasters on the BBC, who really should know better.

"Less people" at a demonstration, for instance. It's wrong! If I were feeling judgemental and uncharitable I might be grammatically correct, (but extremely rude), if I referred to "lesser people", but that means something completely different.

mabon1 Thu 12-Jun-25 18:50:43

...also - different "to" instead of different "from", Evan Davies is a culprit.
Reverse back!!!

Mollygo Thu 12-Jun-25 18:41:30

springishere

I love Pedants' Corner. Don't get me started on "should of" "could of". My hairdresser says it all the time and I want to shout at him (but don't!). How about different to instead of from, and why am "I" always "myself"?

Could of and should of- just as bad as cudder and shudder

springishere Thu 12-Jun-25 17:13:49

I love Pedants' Corner. Don't get me started on "should of" "could of". My hairdresser says it all the time and I want to shout at him (but don't!). How about different to instead of from, and why am "I" always "myself"?

Witzend Thu 12-Jun-25 16:54:42

IMO a lot of people don’t realise how to tell which to use. When teaching EFL we referred to ‘countable’ and ‘uncountable’ nouns.
So, less flour and fewer eggs,
Less snow, and fewer cold days.

orly Thu 12-Jun-25 16:33:05

I might of guessed someone would pick up on bad grammar. My husband is always using the wrong worm.

grandMattie Thu 12-Jun-25 16:07:12

Allira

Or make spelling mistakes.

I did buy a birthday card once, for a pedant, which, on the outside said “I got you this card and checked everything” then, on the inside it said “especially for smelling pistakes “! He absolutely loved it.😊

Allira Thu 12-Jun-25 15:44:08

Or make spelling mistakes.

Allira Thu 12-Jun-25 15:43:45

Dickens

Claremont

I couldn't care fewer, lol.

grin

And then there were none!

(Never start a sentence with a co-ordinatimg conjunction. 😁)

Boolya Thu 12-Jun-25 15:42:34

I couldn’t agree more. Drives me dotty.

Mollygo Thu 12-Jun-25 15:41:11

glammagran
Weight words are often used inaccurately.
There was tons of (unweighed) rubbish left after the pop festival, that loads of people went to watch.
Less and fewer irritates me, so why does that sentence not bother me?

glammagran Thu 12-Jun-25 15:30:07

My pet peeve is the use of the words amount and number. As in “the amount of people doing xyz” rather than the number of people. Are the amount of people measured in tons I often wonder.

Dickens Thu 12-Jun-25 14:58:35

Claremont

I couldn't care fewer, lol.

grin

dalrymple23 Thu 12-Jun-25 14:56:44

Gizzy: Am I missing something here? Starting a sentence with an unnecessary "myself"? Then the instertion of the word "got", preceded by "have"? Tautology, I believe! Anyway I find that "got" is an ugly word!!

Grammaretto Thu 12-Jun-25 14:30:51

You are naughty Allira 😂🤣😅

Gizzy48 Thu 12-Jun-25 14:22:16

I’m a dissenter, an outlier here, the 9 items or less issue. And yes, I have been taught good grammar and know how to use it – and when to use it.

Quite apart from the matter of formal/informal language, which pedants profess to disdain, there are certain words or constructions which are almost never used informally. Fewer is one of them, and Whom is another. Those who clutch their pearls at “incorrect” use of Less, can you in all honesty swear that you say “whom” instead of “who” every time? Ever said “who can you see in that picture?” or, using correct structure, “from whom did you hear that?”

Then there’s the question of clarity, a red herring which pedants love to trail. If we have both Less and Fewer in order to distinguish meaning, please explain why we don’t get confused over the use of More to mean the opposite of both of those words. (And also how many speakers of other European languages are not painfully befuddled at not having the two expressions.)

Myself, I do use Fewer. I’m a retired teacher and it’s almost a reflex. But I only use it for certain if it comes immediately before the word I’m qualifying. Fewer apples. There were fewer children in my classroom than in the one next door, and less of them could play the recorder.

So, to the supermarket. What have I got in my trolley? I’ve got something called shopping. It’s an uncountable noun. Most of us, apart from those living in the parts of Britain where what you bring home from the shops is called “messages”, use the word Shopping not only for the act of buying things, but also for the totality of the things you buy. Surely nobody gets confused by the sentence “I nearly left my shopping on the bus”?

Why do I have more money left over this week? It’s because I bought less than usual. I didn’t buy fewer than usual. I didn’t buy less or fewer “anything” (respectively, milk and sausages, for example). I just bought less. I went shopping with Jill. I had less in my trolley than she did. Suddenly at the checkout, do I have fewer in my trolley.

I know my grammar, and 9 items or less has never upset my sensibilities. “Less items: bad, “less than 9 items”: okay. It’s a number, it’s less than 9.

9 items or less, pedants will reply to with “less what?” and I’ll respond “less stuff, less shopping, just less”

How about a compromise: not more than 9 items?

Cabbie21 Thu 12-Jun-25 14:19:16

It grates when Danny, an expert and presenter on Bargain Hunt says “ You was”. Does the BBC have no standards these days?

Witzend Thu 12-Jun-25 14:14:16

TwiceAsNice

My colleague in work says “was you” all the time instead of were. This makes me deranged. We work next door to each other and I’m silently shouting the correct word in my head every time she does it. I understand your pain!

I had a colleague who would say e.g. ‘I rung her’. Of course I never said anything, but I knew she was extremely conscious of her scanty education, so I think she’d have liked to know - if only there had been a way to tell her without coming across as a PITA know-all.

Oreo Wed 11-Jun-25 20:12:31

Allira

Daddima

The Pedants’ Revolt

Less Pedant's are revolting now, their are not so many on the street's.

😅
They’re still revolting tho.
Fewer, fewer, fewer, fewer, or even less!

Sparklefizz Wed 11-Jun-25 19:04:37

I have heard a couple of times on tv someone saying "The amount of people who ......."
angry

Franski Wed 11-Jun-25 15:57:44

8 items or less....
Get's my goat

TwiceAsNice Wed 11-Jun-25 15:53:37

My colleague in work says “was you” all the time instead of were. This makes me deranged. We work next door to each other and I’m silently shouting the correct word in my head every time she does it. I understand your pain!

Claremont Wed 11-Jun-25 15:42:48

I couldn't care fewer, lol.

Grandma70s Wed 11-Jun-25 14:57:06

Daddima My brother sent me that as a Christmas card years ago. I love it.

Allira Wed 11-Jun-25 14:50:52

Daddima

The Pedants’ Revolt

Less Pedant's are revolting now, their are not so many on the street's.

HowVeryDareYou2 Wed 11-Jun-25 14:46:21

It drives me mad, too.