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Thank you Maybee you have been very helpful

grandtanteJE65

Fortunately, I live in a country where it is illegal to let your dog off the lead unless you are in a park or wood where there are signs up specifically permitting dogs to run loose.

And even in those areas dog owners who have no control over their dogs can be fined, and as dog owners must be insured against any damage their dogs do, you can claim damages if you or your own dog or anyone or anything else is hurt.

This is a common complaint on Gransnet - why do you not all seek to have the law in the UK changed on this point?

We couldn’t even get that the government to uphold the law on illegal gatherings/parties/soirées…..

We have had a few rescue dogs over the years and they have all turned out ok except for one beagle who was friendly and happy but totally untrainable so we rehomed him to a farm with another beagle. He ran off without a backward glance with his new friend so I am sure he had a happy life , more than we could give him. One of our rescue dogs saved one of our babies from falling into a neighbour’s backyard pool. He was a collie, wonderful animal,we loved him so much.

I should clarify that I am not in UK but do have many close associations with UK people who are involved in the dog world in various ways.

I have been extensively involved with Rescue dogs albeit in my own breed.

How many dogs produced every year do you think are produced by KC breeders? In Australia only about 17% of dogs produced every year are bred by registered breeders.
Where do the others come from?

Unfortunately here, and I'm sure in other countries as well, some registered breeders are less than ethical.

If people want a rescue dog that is great but no one should be made feel that buying a pup as opposed to buying a rescue dog is morally wrong.

Apologies for going off thread. In order to get back on thread I'm firmly in the camp of dogs being on lead when in public places. I have been fortunate enough to have acreage so the dogs getting good off lead time has not been a problem for me.

Ours was really helpful when our dog was attacked, but he is an exceptionally helpful guy! He said no one should feel unsafe in their own neighbourhood. I’d make a point of saying how scared you were of the dog. Not sure if you can get a crime number for the dog entering your property as well but it might be worth asking the police if you can have one. Gives you more ammunition. I know someone who had a neighbours dog get into her back garden and savage her dog (it survived, thankfully).

Perhaps I will Maybee thank you but will they do anything around private housing, or does it only apply with social housing?

Contact your safe neighbourhood officer at the council.

We moved house 5 months ago. 6 houses on a private road, we are the house at the end. Number 3 house has a dog who came into the garden the week we moved in and frightened one of our cats straight up a tree, owners in next field too far away to do anything. We had a terse conversation then with dog still not being controlled.

Fast forward a few months dog has been in our garden barking at us or outside workmen twice more and we have got owner to come and get him , totally useless pathetic apologies. The other neighbours say “oh it’s just name” .

I have had enough and have told daughters if it happens again I am going to their house and saying if he’s not controlled and In our garden again I am phoning the police. Stupid people !

MayBee70

Our whippet has no recall so she stays on lead when there are other dogs around. But we are always having dogs run up to her. Because of previous attacks it stresses us out.

same

I would politely suggest that your experience of rescue dogs may be limited Spice. Dogs are rescued for a myriad of reasons and none that I have had originated in puppy farms. Some will have of course. Others have belonged to people who have died or are no longer able, through financial difficulties or disability, to look after them. Others have belonged to people moving into accommodation that prohibits pets. It’s sad that rescue centres are needed but puppy farming is by no means the major cause that they do.

Germanshepherdsmum

*Spice*, why exactly do you think that taking in rescue dogs encourages the breeding of more puppies? People who only have rescue dogs wouldn’t dream of buying puppies and I assure you that there is, unfortunately, no shortage of rescue dogs waiting to be rehomed.

In my experience most rescue dogs start out as pups bred by puppy farmers. They are sold in many cases to unsuitable owners who cannot cope with them and end up as rescue dogs.
While there are people happy to take these dogs on it means that the puppy farmers can continue to breed and not have any responsibility for the welfare of the dogs. If they cannot sell the dogs they off load them to a shelter. Look how many of these dogs arrive in the UK from Romania, or Ireland or various other countries.
Of course there are many people who take on a rescue dog and give it a loving home but there are others that do not want that responsibility or to deal with possible issues that a true rescue dog may have and want a puppy - preferably one from a Kennel Club registered breeder.

There are lots of pedigree dogs in the rescue centres as well as crossbreeds. All mine have been pedigree GSDs, simply because I love the breed. But yes, too many people want a dinky handbag dog or something really fierce looking - in the latter case usually men who haven’t a clue about how to look after them and keep everyone else safe.

I've had three rescue dogs over the years and they've usually got issues, otherwise they wouldn't have been abandoned. I've got a puppy now and she's hard work too! My friend picked her dog up when it was being attacked and she ended up getting bitten as well. Never advisible.

Germanshepherdsmum

Btw why pay thousands for a dog when there are so many rescues in need of a home? It just encourages breeders to keep producing more and more dogs.

Too many people treat dogs as a fashion accessory these days That's why they buy expensive breeds.
The poor old mongrels at the rescue centres won't make them look so good.

Esspee

All dogs should be kept on the leash except when in secure fenced premises.

Dogs really need to exercise properly and there is a shortage of secured fenced premises
I will be taking my daughters rottie out this afternoon in a large open area of fields he will be let off his lead but returned to it if anyone approaches
I used to have a very reactive Boxer and I found it annoying when others let their dogs run up to him he wasn’t particularly friendly
Although I have walked quite a few dogs in local areas I haven’t really experienced that many who come bounding up

I absolutely agree Espee.

All dogs should be kept on the leash except when in secure fenced premises.

I try to stay off dog threads as I seem to be in a minority but some people are ridiculous with their dogs.
I was watching This Morning today and there was a woman on who says she can tell you what your pet is thinking . She had a small dog with her which wasn't on a lead. She let it run around the studio. The crew had to rush in to move plants and things. The dog ran around the kitchen area, even managing to eat some of the chicken a chef was due to make a casserole with. What a bloody cheek.

My small yorkipoo lost his bottom jaw from a badly treated staff attack. He's okay now, and still loves other dogs, but spent nearly a month with a gastric sond and it cost a fortune. The owner, who was staying with us, did not understand whu we forbade his dog here! She was hit constantly for nothing so I blame the nasty owner, who is now also on the no admittance list...

Have recently been surprised by two bouncy dogs on the beach who made me lose my balance and nearly fall over, resulting in a muscle twist. Clothes covered in mud. Owner: "Oh, they're only one year old, still learning...." Also saw a small dog the other day being severely "Rogered" by a loose Dalmatian. Shocking!

Dee1012

I have a rather large, extremely friendly Rottweiler. She's very well trained and always on a lead in public places.

Her recall is excellent and she loves other dogs / cats etc, well she loves everyone and everything BUT because of her breed and the perception people have, because some dogs are nervous / unfriendly....she's on a lead.
It's not rocket science and in my opinion, my role is to protect her, not the other way around!

Well said. Also, what a lot of dog owners don’t realise is that a dog doesn’t just attack out of aggression but also, as is the case with many reactive dogs, out of fear. Your last sentence is probably the most thought provoking/sensible thing I’ve ever heard said about dog ownership and needs to be the angle from which we start if and when the public are educated better about how to deal with their own dogs and other peoples.

I have a rather large, extremely friendly Rottweiler. She's very well trained and always on a lead in public places.

Her recall is excellent and she loves other dogs / cats etc, well she loves everyone and everything BUT because of her breed and the perception people have, because some dogs are nervous / unfriendly....she's on a lead.
It's not rocket science and in my opinion, my role is to protect her, not the other way around!

Great choice of dog Audi!