Precious lawn owners

We haven't had dogs for years but when we did, they were trained to do their pooping in the back garden, and then we could go out for their walk without having to worry about having to pick up and carry bags of poop around for the duration of the walk (big dogs = big bags....)
So I do get annoyed at people who think our open plan front garden is provided for their dogs' toilet facilities. One man got very aggressive with me when I challenged him and told me to take it up with his dog, not with him!
Another woman who had allowed her dog, on one of those expanding leads, to come right up to the front of our house, under the kitchen window, had the sauce to say it was only peeing there. I had to explain to her that "only peeing" was an invitation for other dogs to add to the fouling.
So, as a former dog owner, I am not anti-dog, but I am anti thick/selfish dog owners.

We had a large corner plot in our last house and for some reason the builder decided only to fence off half the driveway with ran parallel to the pavement and the number of times we had to go out and ask people to get their dogs off our lawn was ridiculous. We got the fence extend gates across the front to stop it. One of the main culprits was a neighbour who acquired a large untrained dog and after telling them in no uncertain terms she reverted to letting the dog do its business in her backyard and never picked up the poo. She had four children, who were also untrained. We always cleaned up after our dogs and never went anywhere children would be playing.

Mardler123

If only one could control cats who use my front lawn as their toilet.

I believe that dogs must be kept under control but cats are free to roam by law.

Which means they can use other people's gardens as lavatories. 🤮
As those of us who have gardened without gloves have found out.

If only one could control cats who use my front lawn as their toilet.

the cost would not be in the initial DNA test. But in collection and testing of 'material'. And then litigation because as other dogs might have pooed there in the last few days, it would be compromised. Just totally not feasible.

Just too many dogs in the wrong places. And this ridiculous fashion for very large dogs totally unsuited for the place and manner they are kept.

And just too many totally intolerant people, who just hate dogs, and treat them all, and their owners- in a despicable manner.

Dogs already have to be micro chipped and a register kept of owners and addresses. A dna test with ancestory for a human is only £59. I would imagine that doing it for thousands of dogs would be cheaper. This could be added to the cost of getting your dog micro chipped. It is a small amount compared to the cost of buying a dog. Banned breeds could be controlled at the same time.

Jackiest that seems like a good idea in theory🤔 …but I’m just wondering who will pay for the gargantuan task of collecting all those samples, testing them and storing them safely then tracing the samples back to the correct owners in order to secure convictions or impose fines?

Maybe this could be a reality in America but not in UK where getting millions of people to join any such “scheme” would be not only be a logistical nightmare but would certainly create outrage over such a *big brother” intervention.

Only those with a lot of money could consider this and no government would ever promote it here.

Truly I would rather such technology as existed was used to monitor and confiscate the banned breeds that seem to be by-passing the safeguards if the increase in the reports of dogs attacking people are anything to go by.

I am a dog owner and always pick up after my dog but would not let her poo on grass in front of someone’s house.
Years ago I lived on a road like the one described and the amount of people allowing this to happen was unbelievable, some cleaned up some didn’t but what made me so very angry was one day my husband forgot something for work, he ran across the grass up the stairs and couldn’t find what he was looking for so went in every room upstairs and down to find it. He didn’t take off his shoes as he was in a hurry. Yes you’ve guessed dog poo every wear I got the job of cleaning every carpet in the house. I have never forgotten this. Poor hubby hadn’t realised but I calmed down by the time I saw him several days later.

I'd totally agree that we need much better control of dog ownership. There should be a register, with the dogs microchip and owner details, so all dogs are traceable.

Where I currently live, with have to present dog vaccination and worming schedule every year to the Council, and our details and the dogs are on a local and national register. We also have to pay a significant fee every year for the admin required to keep this up to date, and for the many dog bins and bags put around dog walking areas, for bags and safe removal and disposal. And some breeds are just banned.

Jackiest: you'll love this website! It's US based but wow! Who knew!

www.pooprints.com/about-us/

I also looked up stats for toxocara and found this from Shropshire Council (from a Google search)

"There are approximately 120 cases of Toxocara Canis per year in the UK, very few of which are severe. Bacteria and parasites can spread from a pile of faeces on the bottom of shoes and even on the feet of flies and other insects, in addition to direct hand-to-mouth transmission and direct skin contact with larvae."

I'm glad I started this thread - every day's a school day!

Thanks Elegran for reminding us of the very real danger of disease from dog and cat faeces.
When I was bitten earlier this year by a friend's dog, I had to have 2 courses of antibiotics before the wound cleared up.
I'm sure the owner keeps her pet as clean as she can but every walk in the park, every sniff means a dog's mouth is never clean.

Granmarderby10

So Grunty just to be clear, you think that all those park dog walkers - and there are a lot of them, are thick and that their dogs don’t ever poop while out, even ones that visit the park at least twice a day? You are mistaken. The majority of decent responsible people go equipped and just pick it up- just as the law requires.

I take it also you haven’t heard of dog waste bins where bagged poop can be disposed of. Often no need to carry it home …( this is in England by the way)

I also glean from your rather over the top and almost pantomime angry response, that you don’t like dogs or don’t like people who have them or possibly both?
AND further more that you hadn’t actually read or comprehended my posts at all but quoted from it just so you could have a good old rant.

Exactly. OMG- talk about some nasty, intolerant people. I despise both. the bad dog owners who give us all a bad name, and the extreme dog haters who would not tolerate the presence of dogs anywhere, and call us all thick.

Of course good dog owners don't let their dogs defacate on children's play areas or sports ground, but it is unfair to expect not to walk and do their business at the side of open parks, and owner to carefully pick up and put in nearest dog bin or take home. As the vast majority of us do.

As for the dog haters who will insist on sitting in the only small space dedicated to people with dogs, in pubs or restaurants which are dog friendly and dedicate a special space to them- and then say 'you can't sit there as we are allergic to dogs'! If you are allergic to dogs, don't sit in the areas dedicated to them and let us have our tiny % of the space, far away from everyone.

I do think it would be a good idea that when a dog is chipped they also take the dogs dna. That way, whenever dog poo is not cleared up it can be traced back to the owner and a relevant fine imposed.

It is not so much poo where I live but I have seen many dog owners allow their pooches to pee on people’s open plan lawns, pee up trees and bushes and even fences. Why would they do that? The dogs are on leads too.

MissI I was just shocked that she put dogs on a par with babies.

No-one seems to have any more to say on the subject at the moment, Grunty. Perhaps everyone is carefully reading the details in the link I gave.

How to kill a thread in ten minutes - inject a little truth.

Very interesting Elegran thanks for sharing it. I've always been absolutely repulsed when I've seen parents allowing their dogs to lick children's hands and faces. Quite why it's seen as "cute" to watch a dog licking it's backside and tackle and then lick a child's face is inexplicable.

Elegran

Grunty

I don’t like alcoholics and people who are clearly drunk and smell of booze, same with clouds of cannabis smoke billowing from windows and back gardens, and the twenty or so empty discarded crisp packets etc daily dropped on the greens around here- by someone but hey ho.

When you've found any alcoholic, drug user or despotic crisp eater who's detritus causes pathogenic bacteria, Salmonella, E. coli, Campylobacter, Yersinia and Antibiotic-resistant bacteria, give me a shout; I'll be faux outraged about that for you too.

Or toxocara parasitic worms, Grunty . I looked up the meaning of the "ocular larva migrans" mentioned in the report I quoted above, and it means that the larva was known to have migrated to behind the eyeball of the patient who came into contact with the eggs. I'd be more than "faux outraged" if that happened to my grandchild.

Yes, the poster I saw in Bristol Eye Infirmary had pictures showing the migration and of how blindness was the result.

Thank you, Elegran
That doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Grunty

^I don’t like alcoholics and people who are clearly drunk and smell of booze, same with clouds of cannabis smoke billowing from windows and back gardens, and the twenty or so empty discarded crisp packets etc daily dropped on the greens around here- by someone but hey ho.^

When you've found any alcoholic, drug user or despotic crisp eater who's detritus causes pathogenic bacteria, Salmonella, E. coli, Campylobacter, Yersinia and Antibiotic-resistant bacteria, give me a shout; I'll be faux outraged about that for you too.

Or toxocara parasitic worms, Grunty . I looked up the meaning of the "ocular larva migrans" mentioned in the report I quoted above, and it means that the larva was known to have migrated to behind the eyeball of the patient who came into contact with the eggs. I'd be more than "faux outraged" if that happened to my grandchild.

NotAGran55: he does go in my garden!

But - surprisingly - he also goes while he's out. I don't wait for him to do his stuff before I take him for a walk. I'm glad 'super owners' have time to do that.

A bit like, I use my own toilet at home, but try to find a public loo when I'm out. That said, I don't tend to squat in open spaces when I get caught short and nobody follows me around with a roll of poo bags!

I have to laugh sometimes when I post things related to this subject, or dogs in general. All the perfect dog owners with their perfect recall pooches come out of the woodwork.

Unless yours is a trained working dog (gundog, drug dog, assistance dog), and its never off duty, your dog is not perfect. I simply don't believe you.

It isn't a question of liking or not liking dogs, or of being precious about them pooping on your treasured lawn, it is a wish NOT to have contact with dog poop at all. Some may think the dangers of the stuff are exaggerated, but if anything they are only recently being shown to be worse than we thought, and they are likely to be implicated in conditions such as epilepsy, neurodegenerative disorders, asthma, and cognitive developmental delays in children. To determine levels of environmental contamination, soil from 142 parks and recreational areas across the UK and Ireland was assessed for the presence of Toxocara.

" WormWatch: Park soil surveillance reveals extensive Toxocara contamination across the UK and Ireland^ First published: 09 November 2022

" Characteristic Toxocara-type eggs were found in 86.6% of parks, with an average of 2.1 eggs per 50 g of topsoil.

Toxocarosis is a globally significant parasitic zoonosis caused by ascarid nematodes of canids (Toxocara canis) and felids (Toxocara cati).

Around 25% of people were seropositive for specific anti-Toxocara antibodies in the UK and Ireland in historical studies of hospital and paediatric populations, while average seroprevalence is 10.5% in Europe and 19.0% globally. In humans, acute toxocarosis can present as visceral or ocular larva migrans, heightened eosinophilia or acute inflammation following tissue disruption by migrating larvae, which can reach neuronal tissue resulting in neurotoxocarosis. The chronic impact of toxocarosis is not fully appreciated, but there is mounting evidence associating toxocarosis with conditions such as epilepsy, neurodegenerative disorders, asthma, and cognitive developmental delays in children.

With a pre-patent period of around 1 month, repeated monthly treatment with a non-persistent anthelmintic that kills Toxocara worms should result in zero egg production. Unfortunately, even though it has been suggested recently that 97% of UK dogs should be wormed every month, the estimated average number of anthelmintic treatments was 3.1 per year.

Pet owners are unlikely to notice any ill health arising from infections in mature dogs, so motivation for action might be low, which of course entirely misses the purpose of prevention. "

bvajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/vetr.2341

I love big, brawny,hairy men but I'd be a bit disgruntled if I saw one having a good "clear out" outside my flat.

A couple of weeks ago putting my bins out I watched two of my friends -sisters each with a dog allowing their dogs to poo on a neighbour's lawn .
The neighbours are also friends of mine .
It is obviously their garden and it's beautifully kept with an immaculate lawn and tubs full of flowers .
If they'd been in -they would have been very upset .
Admittedly, the sisters picked up the poo but in my opinion it was very rude of them to allow it to happen .