Phew, what a life Ruby!
Have a wonderful break. I'm sure it'll do both you - and your son a power of good. 
Do you think you know when you are going to die?
By special request, let’s discuss our favourite Classic Music and why?
I've had an awful weekend. My DS has said some truly nasty with hurtful, cutting words such as "I hope you die alone". I have cried, felt sad, confided in my dad and generally slept the weekend away. I can't wait in some way until he leaves home hopefully next year for University. He turns 18 this May. Has anyone else experienced abuse off their children like this before and how do I get through the next year and a half? It is just me and him and the animals, in a new house, new area where I know no-one and he now has friends and a new girlfriend living close. (I moved us nearer to his college.)
Phew, what a life Ruby!
Have a wonderful break. I'm sure it'll do both you - and your son a power of good. 
Hope you have a lovely break! I am sure that the answer is open up your own life to more opportunities.
I'm going to see Wild next week ruby; let me know what you think of it. Have a lovely time! xx
Hi, I'm back, I went into hiding because I thought I was a little strong on the last post I made. I am feeling much better now though, so thank you for all your wonderful comments. It reassuring to know that you are there for support and I will gain from it and carry on.
I understand Ginette and Tegan too because I have been there when my daughter left for university some eight years ago now. I pined for her, was jealous of others spending time with her, told her I was upset. It carried on for years, which now I wish it hadn't. Not because of how she treats me now, but that it really did waste my time. I achieved nothing from it. I know you have to have some emotion of them leaving but for years? I think I made her too close to me over her time at home. I depended on her too much, both the children, putting them well above my ex husband, their dad. Hindsight is wonderful isn't it? If only I could rewind the clock. I've said yes to anythng and everything they wanted, only learning now not to. But too late in some cases.
No, my son is not and has never smoked anything, not even a cigarette in his life. He hates the things so he wouldn't smoke pot, and he would tell me if he had. He hasn't taken any other drugs neither. He hardly likes drinking alcohol. He isn't like that really, he's a bit of a nerd. (In the nicest possible way.) He can be lovely, as said in other posts, but is like Jekyll and Hyde, lovely one minute and awful the next. Sometimes in a split second.
He was abandoned by his dad on the doorstep of our house on his 8th birthday. He has never seen him since. He has no clue why. His sister left for uni the year after, not having much to do with him once she left after them being really close and still nothing after I asked her to come visit/text him/e mail/phone but no response. He got assaulted five times at age 11 in first year secondary from September intake until leaving the year in July. We decided then to home school, joint decision, and so did so for the next four years. After the home school department came out for last checks in the May before he should have left that year and said that they would not be coming back, he became very depressed. This lasted for some time until he started college. He then had to sit his Maths and English GCSE as he had not acquired these while home schooling (the cost for private exams was too high being on benefits). Then this last year from September last year he has started on AS levels but is struggling with his Maths. So he will not go to University until next year, a year later than he should have done really.
He is very socially awkward and I had him tested for Autism/Aspergers at CAMHS (Children and Adolescent Mental Health Service) but they said there was nothing wrong with him. I do think he is on the low end of the spectrum but their assessment lasted all of five minutes! (Or the length of a then cigarette!). So that was that. He had had some counselling, about eight sessions with Think Positive. He really didn't want to do it and I don't think he got anywhere with it. After eight sessions they said he was ok now and that he didn't need to go again. Oh, fixed now, is he? Good, ok then.
He has been difficult, from day one. On my birth notes it says that "mum prefers to cuddle baby" overnight. Baby would not go into the cot no matter what. He got the nickname Velcro Kid. He slept in with me for four years. I argued and tried to get ex husband to help me get him into his cot/own room for all those years and he was not willing to help a jot. He just got his sleeping bag and slept on the settee. (I wonder how I coped now looking back.) Frustration was not in it. It eventually broke us, well, along with the violence he hammered down on me.
Someone mentioned my parents being disciplinarians. Not really. My mum wanted all the attention herself and got it and my dad was just there. They argued and fought most of their married life, violent rows, blood over walls, everything. My brother and I were like pawns in a game. My sister was born when I was 15, my baby brother dying when I was 14 after living for 12 hours. It was horrendous as my sister needed open heart surgery at one week old and then got a life/death infection. Luckily she is now 35 years old, but as siblings we are all scarred by our upbringing. My brother and sister see my mother, I see my dad. At least we are still caring for them both.
I have had abuse, therefore, since I was a kid. In my marriage too and also with my daughter trying to get money out of me, lying, manipulating me etc. I am up to the back teeth with it and now just need a quiet life. I have contacted his headmaster and he is phoning me on Thursday for a meeting to sort all this out. The e mail was as long as this post, sorry. Maybe we can help my son to sort himself out.
You have said about leaving him to do his own washing, cooking etc. He does do this. He is very good at practical things, even decorating, laying carpets etc. He won't starve when he does leave. It's the emotional side that is the problem, which I think comes from his dad leaving him. But I will not be a verbal punchbag for this any more. He needs to sort it with him or get it out of his system another way. These fathers do not know what they cause when they have no contact. It's spineless of him to treat him this way. All because he re-married and she pulled his strings. She is one nasty jealous wife. But then he should put his child first, and tell her he is seeing him regardless. Spineless.
I shall go now, give you all some rest. I booked a weekend away on my own, well, with doggie. To a friend's apartment who is a lovely woman, so Tia Maria and coke and a catch up here I come. I also got taken out last night by my lovely brother. We have both been poorly over Christmas and have not seen each other for a good while so it was great to have a much longed for chat. He has been my best friend for all my life. And i met up with some friends last week and we are off to the cinema to see Wild next week. So as I am recovering, I will get out more.
I do thank you all for your concern, I am very touched by it and it has made a huge difference to me. Thanks buds. Xxxxxxxxxx
Agree with Anya and rosequartz about the boomerang bit.
It is not difficult to see the pluses of them not being around full time, once they have boomeranged a bit!
Ginette, I too wont be judging.
Can I say, and perhaps I have got this a bit wrong, but I am sensing that just by saying you are alone that you feel in part alone because of your husband.
Fortunately I was not in that position once all the children left.
And I should imagine that that is actaully plaing a large part in how you are feeling so low right now.
We will help you all we can. 
It's when they don't want you but they then want you when it suits them at the same time wanting other people who aren't there for them at the drop of a hat. Which makes you feel a bit of a fool. And you want to not drop everything for them when that happens but you do because it is 'what you do'.
It is hard when they no longer need you, but sometimes they boomerang back and when they have done that a couple of times you could be quite relieved when they finally move out.
I always think it is sad to hear about 'children' in their 30s and 40s who still live at home with Mum (and/or Dad).
Watching 'Wanted Down Under' this morning (half-heartedly as I did something else I hasten to add!) I was struck by the mother of the girl who wanted to emigrate saying 'She breathes in, I breathe out, we are so close'. I thought that sounded suffocating for the poor girl.
I agree Mishap no they are not intentional, not at all. Sometimes we are good at convincing ourselves that they are though!
I am sorry that you are sad Tegan - and Katy that must be hard when she is nearby but has moved on in other ways.
I am sure these are not intentional rejections - young people get swept away on the excitement of opportunities
I am lucky to have OH here and I try and remind myself sometimes how he was everything to me and we really wanted to be alone! - focus shifts with the arrival of children, but we are trying to shift it back again.
We have to make a big adjustment from being the lynch pin of the family to a very different role. It is tough - but we can do it.
Tegan
for you too. When my DD (an only child) left home I felt bereft. She didn't go far, about 4 miles away and was constantly visiting, meeting me after work, coming to theatres/cinema/meals with me. We would chat on the phone for hours. Even after she had her own daughter, she was constantly here with our DGD. We would shop and go out for days. When I retired 5 years ago I couldn't wait to have more time for all of this but it suddenly stopped.
I'm not sure what happened. She met a new set of friends and they have taken priority. It took me a long time to come to terms with it as I felt rejected and lost and not good enough any more. I am trying to 'go with the flow' and get on with my own life with my DH and my sisters and friends. Its not easy though. We almost fell out over it at one point but it's not worth it so now I keep quiet and paint my smile on.
There is light at the end of the tunnel. I think we have all been there- I shed a few tears when my son went to university- not that I let him know!
It is the 'empty nest syndrome'- you have had a purpose in life and it has now gone. ( or gone in the way it has been for all those years). You need other purposes. Easier said than done, but it will come.
Don't be too tough on yourself. Start with very small changes.
Ginette; I'm a few years ahead of you..children have left home, having families etc. But can I just say I am in a sort of similar/parallel type situation at the moment [mainly as a result of putting my children before everything else from the minute they were born]. I feel lonely, isolated and rejected and I KNOW exactly how you feel and I'm sending you a big hug and I wish we lived close by by to each other because I could give you that hug in person. I totally understand how you feel as I can't stop crying. 
No one is judging you - we understand how difficult this transition can be. But you will get there.
Thanks Anya Hugs to you too xx
(((Hugs)))
I appreciate all your advice but when you are right in the middle of the situation its hard, I hope I can count on your advice and support and write my feelings without judgement I really need the support right now as I stand alone, its not a nice time in my life. I am just grateful for this outlet. I know there is a liggt at the end of this tunnel just this tunnel is never ending at the moment, please be patient with me, I have never been this low.
Ginette you're suffering from Empty Nest Syndrome and it is horrible, but believe us when we say it gets easier. My two started Uni at the same time and I thought my world had ended. Within a year I was glad to see the back of thrm when they went back to Uni!!! Honest. Love them to death but two weeks back home and I was climbing the walls.
Sorry- it seems to have hijacked OP- but it is still relevant. Rubylady needs her own life and an honest discussion with her son on living together in harmony.
Your DH sounds very controlling- maybe this holds you back?
Of course 'mummy birds' can still fly!
Stop seeing it as the end of things and instead see it as a beginning. You are free to follow your own interests and in doing so you will find that you have a much better relationship with your DD- having a mother reliant on you is a heavy responsibility.
Mummy birds can still fly!
You now need to think about you. And your husband.
Have a look in the papers. See if there are any things that spark your interest.
It is a transition time. Transition is always difficult.
Google about this time.
Mishap is right about finding your own life again.
I have boys and girls. All now flown. Some are no longer in the country. They are enjoying themsleves immensely.
You need to take joy in seeing your daughter enjoying her own life.
I do understand. Making this difficult transition from being the centre if someone's life to being on the periphery is very hard. I think many of us would identify with that. There is no doubt that a bit of shakiness in a marriage relationship can make this all the harder, as what you are left with seems less than satisfactory.
Maybe you could rethink this. It looks all gloom and doom to you at this moment, but you may be able to look upon it as an opportunity to develop and expand your life as an individual rather than as a wife or mother. If you are short on money and cannot afford to do some of the things you might like, you could look at volunteering - it is a brilliant way of meeting new people and recovering a purpose in your life. Only you can fill this "empty void" that you speak of, and to do that you will have to gird up your loins, pick yourself up and make up your mind to do it. And I suspect that it will help your DD to see you out there making a new life for yourself as she will jot feel responsible for your happiness - and you will have something interesting to talk to her about when you see her, instead of just picking up the washing!
This is a new phase of your life, one which many of us on here have adapted to, and it is an opportunity for you as well as a loss. Latch on to that positive aspect of it and make a new life for yourself.
I hear all of you. I suppose I am holding on to her because she's only just started university its because I allowed this relationship to become the way it is as I have no family, lost friends due to spending ALL my time with her. My husband is not supportive at all he has stopped speaking to her since just before Christmas because she has a boyfriend! He did this a few months ago and then they had a chat one day in the car going to a wedding and she was elated. He's resorted to his old ways again being pig headed and in the process doesn't speak to me as I support them.
So this is much more than just her leaving for university. Its about no family, no support network and the empty void in my life. I was one of six children brought up and lived in Africa only moved to the UK in 1995 and my daughter was born in 1996 and I had to bring her up on my own. Ive always had people around me, until September when my daughter left. I worked and rushed home to be with her. We did a lot of things together so now that's stopped I feel bereft.
Does anyone understand my predicament?
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