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Support for those estranged from family members. Moving on together,

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celebgran Thu 21-Jul-16 16:23:55

Hi all of you Smilelss, yogsgirl, luckylegs, rhinestone rosy glow, mumsy, mums70 and any new members so sorry if forgotten anyone.

Let's hope this new thread works as admin said without vitriol.

celebgran Wed 27-Jul-16 20:44:38

Eddiecat that is very sad indeed.

I do wonder how our daughter will feel when we die but I honestly don't think she will care too much as we have offered so many olive branches,

That so sad at funeral though.

rubylady Thu 28-Jul-16 03:35:42

Have any of you discussed whether your EC will be told when you die? I have told my DS not to tell my ED if anything happens to me. If she isn't concerned about me now (and she does know about all my health problems) then she doesn't need to know when I am no longer around. To her, I am already no longer around. She probably would only be concerned about any money she would be getting. She has said some harsh things about my health in the past. Also, any money left would only be left to my DS too now. He is the one dealing with my health problems every day and has done for the last 10 years. On his own. I was in reasonably good health and working when she left home.

Luckylegs9 Thu 28-Jul-16 07:11:13

IT would be unlikely my d would attend anyway, she doesn't do funerals, probably be on holiday, didn't go to her grandads as she thought skiing would do her more good.

Mumsy Thu 28-Jul-16 08:18:01

Theres nothing to discuss Ruby my girls have made their choice, I doubt they would bother coming to my funeral anyway, they dont miss me now so they sure as hell wont miss me when Ive gone! Like you everything goes to my son my girls will get nothing!

celebgran Thu 28-Jul-16 09:17:11

Mumsy and ruby that is so sad

I don't want to take the estrangement to the grave and will leave something to my Grandaughter the one I was so thrilled to hold at few hours old,

My husband does r want leave ed anything and can understand she puts us through living hell and has no interest in our well being.

I guess will go to my son and those that have cared about us.

It is sad and the last thing I wanted to happen.

I try not to think of it it can't change the sadness of it.

Yogagirl Thu 28-Jul-16 09:31:54

Yes Celebgran that poem says it all, I'll try to find her page. I tried to post a story I read about a little girl finding a photo of her mum when she was a little girl, with her mum [child's nannie]that she had never seen through estrangement, cutting to the end of the story, the mum finds her little girl crying and asked what's wrong, she replied ' when I grow up & have children of my own, I want to be just like you mummy, so that means we will be estranged and I'll never see you again!' The little girl noticed that her mum seemed very sad after she had said that

Yogagirl Thu 28-Jul-16 09:39:43

Such a sad story Eddiecat sad

Mumsy Thu 28-Jul-16 09:40:36

celebgran, I dont feel sad about it now, Ive accepted the fact they dont want me in their lives. Until youve accepted that fact you will never be able to move on.

Yogagirl Thu 28-Jul-16 09:49:06

So sad talking about when we pass over. My estranged D&S will hear through the grapevine. I have thought, if I got cancer and only had a few months to live, I wouldn't let anyone know and just fly up to God. My ND & GC are the only once that will inherit.

Yogagirl Thu 28-Jul-16 09:51:50

flowers for all the grieving mums/nannies on here and everywhere else in the world too.

celebgran Thu 28-Jul-16 19:47:29

Glad you in quite good place re accepting it mumsy

I saw a school friend of ed when swimming this morning.

She remarked that it was unkind of ed best friend parents not tell us of ner illness as they told her parents, agree really but guess people would rather not get involved,

Really pleased had phone call from my sister so glad we seem to be forming relationship again.

Going see little baby tomorrow ??at least I can be be great aunt if not a Nannie X

celebgran Thu 28-Jul-16 19:50:01

Yogagirl that is sad flaking of that I will probably leave our eldest gd a share but never met other 2 most will go to our son I really don't like think about it?

No I don't want ed at my funeral even if she wanted to come if she has cut me off while I a.m living and totally broken my heart what would be the point ?

rubylady Fri 29-Jul-16 02:34:51

I know, my ED would only be there for guilt or greed and I don't want her there for either of those.

I'm sorry that I've made people think like this, this thread was supposed to be about moving on.

I am so looking forward to starting my own life in a few weeks when my son leaves for uni. He too, as many of you will know, can be hurtful and has been recently over bits of things, things said. So, I have done my time, been there for them both each and every day and so it is now time for me to reap my own rewards and look after myself and enjoy my own time doing what I want for a change. It may not be much at first, I will probably be too shattered to move for the first couple of weeks but I have bought new bedding and intend making some meals for the freezer to heat up, but wholesome grub to improve my well being, and then, with your help, get stronger by the day, hopefully.

I do think, as parents, and particularly mums, that we do give ourselves a hard time. We don't learn to take. We give and give until all is spent. I feel like a Duracell battery in a pink rabbit that has worn down so much I can hardly hit my drum. (That's not Ann Summers, that's the advert! grin) We need to learn to be selfish once in a while. Take a little. If nothing else, then some time for ourselves. But we should ask a bit of other people instead of doing it all. Or get some help in if no one is willing to help out.

We go over and over things in our minds to think if we have done anything wrong, said anything, could have done things differently. But the truth is that no matter what we have done/said, things still would have been the same. I do think we live in a throwaway society now and maybe the younger generation do think it ok to throw away relationships too. I have heard that if romantic relationships are not going well with younger people, then they just get rid. There's no working things out or tolerance like there used to be. No accepting each other for what they are. It's a case of "you don't agree with my point of view so goodbye". Oh well, good luck to them, that's what I think. They'll not get far with that attitude. I intend looking forward, to the future, my future and whatever that holds. It's exciting for me too, but then I don't have dreams, being only a mum. smile

Rhinestone Fri 29-Jul-16 03:35:54

RubyladyWell said and those are my feelings exactly.
I gave thought of the funeral thing , but I feel if you can't see me in life don't come to see me in death.We will be The two girls and the four grandchildren money. And I'm having a hard time with the stepdaughter thing since she lied about not being able to see anyone when she came to town and we found out she saw everyone but her dad and I.
My DD talked to my ES and he said it wasn't about anything my mom and I did ... it's just about him. He wants people to only say positive things. ( So why does he speak to his dad, Mr. Negative ?) I will never understand that. I have always had a great relationship with my son and so has my mother. Yet he speaks to his father who was physically abusive to him( that's why I divorced)

Luckylegs9 Fri 29-Jul-16 08:50:09

Hope you all have a good weekend, ?
Smileless, hope you sign on the dotted line today.

Smileless2012 Fri 29-Jul-16 09:05:39

Morning ladies. Don't apologise for asking if we've had any discussions about what we'd want when we die regarding our EC Rubysmile. We've had talks about inheritance in the past and it's important that we take onto consideration all aspects of estrangement.

Moving on entails looking forward so I think it's good that you raised this topic. When we first talked about it, I told Mr. S. I didn't want our ES at my funeral and he said he would like him to have the opportunity to go to his if he wanted too. A few months ago he told me he'd changed his mind because he'd been thinking about how hard it would be for me and family members, for him to be there if none of us had had any contact with him up to that point.

I wouldn't be surprised if some viewed a decision not to have an EC at their parents funeral as a means to inflict one final punishment on them but estrangement has such an enormous impact on the entire family, everyone has to be considered.

On the regrets about estrangement thread, someone referred to an AS who'd had no contact with his father for many years, attended the funeral and was distraught. Perhaps he'd realised what he'd done too late, the realisation that his father was dead and there was no going back, he would never see him again no matter how much me may wish too.

It's all so verysad.

You should have dreams Ruby and if you don't have any at the moment, get dreaming. You're not just a mum, you're a wonderful mum. I'm pretty certain I wouldn't have had your level of tolerance if one of my boys had behaved how your son has. You'll have mixed emotions when he goes off to Uni I'm sure. I hope you'll enjoy some peace and that he will begin to appreciate what a fab mum he has, when he's so far away from you.

eddiecatflowers.

Wow Yogagirl what a poignant story, you put on some really lovely postssmile.

We've thought about leaving something to our GC Celeb but haven't made any firm decisions apart from DS inheriting everything. If we leave it at that, he'll be able to pass something on to them if he wants too. Thanks for the lovely pm, didn't have time to come on line yesterday so I'll replay latersmile.

I feel as you do Mumsy. Saying 'goodbye' to our ES was my final acceptance that he doesn't want me in his life and our relationship is over. I feel so much better about everything now. Thank you all, for your posts of support and encouragement.

We're back at our holiday home, arrived yesterday just 2 days since we'd leftgrin. Perhaps we should sell everything, furniture etc., not buy the new house and just live herehmmgrin.

rubylady Fri 29-Jul-16 17:28:51

That sounds like a plan Smileless. smile I hope you enjoy a lovely weekend and have a well deserved rest.

I plan to maybe get to Dunelm and buy some more things for my kitchen for post Son. Thank you for your comment, it made me well up a bit really. You're right, I am a great mum, lol. X

What are others planning to do with their weekend? flowers to all. X

celebgran Fri 29-Jul-16 22:48:15

Ruby lady we had such busy busy day saw my adorable great nephew who is 8 days old??his mummy made us home made cake as if we expected that bless her she is such lovely girl. Little dxxxxxx is finding it all bit bewildering I think being big sister.

We enjoyed show tonight martynwilde still rocking. Tomorrow dance and Sunday lunch out with friends one of our busy weekends,

Today has been v hectic, dentist, hairdresser, seeing baby, vets, then show phew
Poor husband not weep either,

Glad you being positive ruby lady I love looking round dunelm.

Yogagirl will message you pic of little one he is so cute, bless him he has a reflux ey problem so vomitting all his feed up, I tactfully wondered about Doctor they got appt and sent onto hospital he needs gaviscon in his food bless him.

Off bed soon I had a funny panicky thing again last night I get from time to time may been triggered by seeing school friend of ed.

Have good weekend. All Smilless you and that caravan ????and may e?Is weekend. After all. .

Luckylegs9 Sat 30-Jul-16 08:41:25

Celebregran, how do you keep going with your partying, you are an inspiration.

celebgran Sat 30-Jul-16 09:36:31

Luckylegs with great difficulty feeling tired today?

We going try keep few gaps in Diary over August before next hol 5 weeks time

Not helped by my tooth problems fingers crossed can hang on til see my dentist week Tuesday one saw yesterday was horrid

Smileless2012 Sat 30-Jul-16 13:42:57

No such luck Luckylegs and it isn't looking too promising for next week either. Just had an email from our agent and she seems to think it's the solicitor for the people buying our buyers house who are holding things upangryso she's going to chase them up on Monday. Sadly patience is not one of my virtues but I do have others I thinkhmmpossibly, maybe. I'll ask Mr. S. when he gets back from work .... perhaps not.

I'm exhausted just reading about your social diary Celeb good for you and your lovely hubby. Hope you get your tooth sorted out soon. I had toothache once and it really, really hurtsad. Coping well with physical pain is another virtue I don't possess.

That made mesmile*Yogagirl*, thinking of you flying up to God but not for absolutely ages of course.

We're going out for a meal tonight, just the two of ussmileand I'll have a very quiet day as Mr. S. is through to the semi finals of a bowling competition so wont be back until tea time. Hopefully I'll be able to skype DS in Aus. Oooh I do miss him, why is Aus. such a bloody long way away.

Yogagirl Sun 31-Jul-16 08:43:03

Lovely pic Celebgran of you and D & baby.

Smileless always a waiting game with moving, just think about the day that you've moved in and you and Mr.S have a nice celebratory wine and it will all be over and you can begin your new life.

I went to stay with my sister in Whitstable Kent on Friday/Saturday. It's lovely down there, she is one back from the beach, has a little gated walk way through to it, so nice. We went to a lovely Moroccan Restaurant and had a lovely evening. My sister told me about a reunion she had just had with her Playboy bunny friends from London. One she had last seen just after she had a baby boy. Turns out now the baby boy has grown to a man and has his own children, he has cut her out, she has never seen her GC and has no idea why she was cut out, she had done nothing she can think of to warrant it, She thinks her ex, the AC father must have poisoned his mind against her, along with her d.i.l & her mother! Think he's her only child sad

celebgran Sun 31-Jul-16 10:04:12

Omg yogagirl it seems so common nowadays and so very sad and unecessary. Someone from closed group has both her son's cut her off. Of course we. Ever know exactly what has happened do i

We must be thankful if we have one child I guess.

thanks I love that photo my dear husband wasn't feeling great just took 3 pics and they were all good I thought just ordered them on free prints ?

Sound like you had good time with your sister that's great.

Yes Smilelss going try keep diary bit clearer if I can it all catches up. Was fantastic last night music by 2 steps back was sooo good, managed lot dancing and lots friends there 8 of us on table and then lots more I felt so blessed with friendship.

Have good day Sunday all better get In Shower, try do spot in garden before out for lunch.??

Smileless2012 Mon 01-Aug-16 09:29:49

Morning ladies, hope you all had a good weekend; sounds like you did Yogagirlsmile. How sad about your sister's friendsad. It really is frightening how many parents are suffering in this way.

Mr. S. was out most of the day so when DS skyped, I had him all to myself for 2 hourssmile. We had a lovely talk. He knew about the recent correspondence between Mr. S. and ES but not that I'd emailed him last Sunday and said goodbyehmm.

He was clearly upset by it. Like all of us, he never expected it to go as far and for long as it has. I know he's upset that we're moving because he feels that as long as we lived so close to them there was more of a chance for a resolution; even though nothing's changed in 4 years.

He was saddened that I'd said goodbye but supportive, understanding the need to try to find closure. It was a lovely 2 hours, I miss him so much and it's still 5.5 months before we go to Aus. and will see him again.

Feeling a littlesadtoday. Mr. S. lookedsadbefore he went off to work. He said he's OK, just feels that everything is building up at the moment. I think we did, and are still underestimating how stressful buying and selling houses can be. As you say Yogagirl it's a waiting game. I'm hoping we'll get some encouraging news from our agent today.

It's lovely andsunshinehere this morning but still feeling rather chilly. I noticed last night, that the nights are drawing in alreadysad. I wish our summers were longer and warmer.

Have a good day everyone.

Meercat Mon 01-Aug-16 12:13:25

Smileless selling up and moving house, with all of the uncertainty, waiting, tension and sheer hard work it involves is one of the most stressful things in life. That's without all of the heartache and grief associated with the loss of your relationship with your son. No wonder you are both feelingsad

I hope it all goes through quickly for you. flowers

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