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Frustrateddil Tue 06-Dec-16 11:19:55

Hello – I’m new and here out of desperation. I’m on the other side of your traditional coin, as it were, and am hoping you’ll have some wisdom or strategy we haven’t considered, as I’m rapidly reaching the end of my tether with my mother in law, and all the daughter-in-law forums I’ve been to recommend we run and never speak to her again, which is a fairly drastic step I’m trying to avoid taking. I also apologise for the length – there is history, but I’ll try to be brief.

To set the scene, my husband is the only child of his parents, and his mum, my MIL, is also the only child of an only child. My MIL’s mother passed away about 6 years ago, so we and her husband are all she has by way of family, which is why we’re trying to avoid cutting her off.

My husband and I have been together for 11 years, married for 4. When I first met his mother, it was immediately apparent we’re very different people – she’s involved in the arts, is very extroverted and outgoing and open with her emotions, whereas I’m science-y, quiet, introverted and hate being the center of attention. Despite this, I was still hopeful we could have a good or at least workable relationship, as I get along brilliantly with his dad and also DH’s university friend who they’ve sort of ‘adopted’ as a pseudo-son.

Things were okish until we got engaged after we’d been together for 5 years (broke students = long engagement). At that point, her behaviour started to spiral. She’d always been a bit overbearing with how much involvement she wanted in our lives, and we did give her jobs and responsibilities with the wedding, but she went from ‘a bit over-excited’ (every conversation she had with us had to be about the wedding, she’d send us long rambling emails full of ideas we didn’t want, would attend wedding fairs without us) to ‘invasive but we could just about cope’ (she sulked and made PA comments for weeks when I said I was buying my wedding dress rather than letting her make me one, she nearly sabotaged our venue negotiations by calling them behind our backs, those long rambling emails became weird entreaties begging for us to change our dates or locations to something cheaper along with lists of things we could better spend the money on – not items that would have been helpful, but things like fresh rosepetals strewn down the aisle and things like that) to finally in the last 6 weeks, totally off the rails.

Due to a mix up with hotel rooms, we had to intervene and swap things around so a disabled guest could actually have a room with disabled access. MIL lost it.. Twelve increasingly hysterical and abusive voicemails, then radio silence for a fortnight, then when DH finally called her, she spent over 3 and a half hours screaming, crying, and wailing down the phone that if DH didn’t give her the control over the hotel rooms back, she and FIL would refuse to attend. Eventually, DH caved, but our opinions of her from that point on were permanently changed.

The wedding itself, the night before we each had family gatherings at separate restaurants. A cousin of DH’s grabbed me the following morning while I was getting ready, to report MIL had gotten drunk and spent the evening badmouthing me and DH about how we were so shameful and disgraceful and thoughtless, etc. Faced with having to confront and eject them from the wedding the day of and my DH not having his parents there, I kept my mouth shut, but having to cope with my blood boiling every time I looked at her didn’t exactly mean my wedding day was happy or relaxed.

After that, she sort of returned to normal for a little bit, and I kind of wrote it off and tried to just swallow the bad feelings – afterall, weddings make people crazy right? I was sure if she hadn’t apologised for her behaviour, it was only because she’d realised how bad it was in hindsight and was thoroughly embarrassed and didn’t want to bring it up.

Unfortunately, the last 18 months have given lie to that, and we’re now faced with how on earth to handle her. The first incident was she had a screaming temper tantrum in a car park at my DH that we should call our son her maiden name – I was not, and had never been pregnant at the time, we weren’t ready to TTC. This was followed up with an email that started out sensible but then became increasingly rambling and incoherent, and centered around the fact we’d double barrelled our surnames and this somehow made her feel left out and then spiralled into weird justifications about how he would always be her baby? DH acknowledged we’d received it, but never replied and never brought it up. He also overheard her saying to mutual acquaintances multiple times that she would have loved to have been more involved in our wedding but she ‘wasn’t allowed’. Blood boil – that was when I finally cracked and told him what she’d said about us the night before the wedding. He was horrified, but didn’t confront her.

God this is long: to the point. We’ve recently had two big things happen; we’ve just bought our first home (yay!) and are finally TTC (double yay!) She obviously knows about one but not the other, and she’s repeating the same behaviour. She got upset and very insulting to DH when we wouldn’t give her a house key to our new home to decorate it without us there, even when he spent 2 hours cajolingly explaining why. And now she’s kicked off a big argument because she has a whole load of her old furniture in storage, and feels we’re ‘insulting her’ by buying our own furniture rather than using what she keeps repeatedly offering. I want – no, I NEED to stop this behaviour NOW, before I get pregnant. Women from my family have dangerous pregnancies anyway, and the added stress she is likely to dump on me if she continues like this (or gets worse; she’s a little baby obsessed) could jeopardise the health of both myself and my child, and if it gets to that, I will cut her off rather than risk that, but I want to avoid it getting that far. So we need to force the issue NOW, rather than let it drag on to that point.

However, any drawing a line…well, the history speaks for itself really, in that it’s her way or the highway (with lots of screaming). When she isn’t acting like this, she is very loving and nice. She obviously adores her son – it’s just that she doesn’t appear to have any grasp of reasonable boundaries or expectations, and we really need to give her some.

So, MILs and grandmothers (and grandfathers, if there are any!) have you been in this situation? Did you and your adult children have to have a sit down and reset expectations? Did it go well? What would have made it go better? Are there any resources or books that I could point her at that might help her manage her expectations? Was there any logic or thoughts you had that led to an ‘Aha!’ moment that you think could be suggested to her? Is there something you think we might have missed that should be considered where we could change how we behave?

Help?

DaphneBroon Mon 09-Jan-17 10:57:16

It is also supremely irrelevant.
We do not know what Bibbity surmises alleges,to go from grown adults who clearly do not get on, to emotional family abuse is a heck of a step.
There are no grandchildren (yet) so hold your horses about accusations about the MIL abusing her grandchild. It is easy to fling damaging accusations around and I have a suspicion some people really get off on stirring a situation about which they know nothing. That's not empathy, that's verging on prurience.

Starlady Mon 09-Jan-17 10:57:04

Is it "a war of women?" It seems more like a "war" between mil and both ds & dil to me. She tried to pressure both of them into changing their wedding date and location. She insulted dh when he tried to explain why they wouldn't give her a key to their new home. If she gives them her old furniture, she's interfering with their right as a couple to furnish their own home. It's dh who called for a TO and set the conditions for how to end it.

Jalima Mon 09-Jan-17 10:48:34

Well said DaphneBroon
I read that post and was speechless (for once)

DaphneBroon Mon 09-Jan-17 10:43:43

Goodness that is out of order Bibbity!

Bibbity Mon 09-Jan-17 10:00:10

Do you give the same disgusting advice to those women being smacked about by their absuive husbands?
Just hush up and don't make him mad?

Abuse is abuse. Regardless who is doing it. The Ops MIL is emotionally and mentally abusing the Ops family. It's not OK for her to lay down and do nothing. Worse still for her to bring a child into the world for MIL to abuse as well.

Yogagirl Mon 09-Jan-17 09:34:19

Well put Lovey

Lovey Sun 08-Jan-17 13:58:55

Poor son, a war of women. OP find it in your heart to be agreeable to your mil. You won't have regrets.

Starlady Sun 08-Jan-17 00:47:15

I like Jaima's suggestion of having other people around if you spend time with MIL. She might hold back on the "crazy" if she's in the presence of more people.

Luckylegs9 Sat 07-Jan-17 20:36:17

It seems she has a personality disorder. Can you just set your own boundaries and if she kicks off, try to distance yourself, calmly until it blows over. It must be so hard dealing with someone who has such problems, I' M sure she wouldn't choose to be as she is, but you cannot let it ruin your life. Good luck.

Jalima Sat 07-Jan-17 20:03:45

hmm I am not sure if I would demand an apology.

Sometimes it is better to draw a line under it then start afresh. I know it means someone gets away with bad behaviour but sometimes it just exacerbates the problems.
Limited contact is a good idea - in the presence of other people.

I think that sometimes people who have these outrageous tantrums may think about it if people withdraw from them for just a while.

Although others may think that they are always in the right.

Starlady Sat 07-Jan-17 19:47:01

So MIL will do therapy but won't apologize? No, just no. That sounds to me as if she wants to use the therapy to "fix" you guys. I wouldn't go along with anything with her until she makes the apology dh asked for. Even then, I would only go with limited contact for a while till we saw if there was a change in her behavior. Maybe birthdays and holidays, that sort of thing, and the therapy sessions if you go to any with her.

Jalima Fri 06-Jan-17 17:52:52

Judthepud2 smile that's OK
However, I do agree that 'amateur counselling' could be unhelpful, even dangerous in some cases.
As Granny23 says, some posters on here could be qualified but very sensibly would not use their skills on here as it is not a one to one trusted relationship.

Giving an opinion or advising what one did or might do in a given situation is a bit different to one or two posts.

Lovey Fri 06-Jan-17 16:39:31

Books titled "Boundaries" and "Safe People" by Townsend and Cloud.

Judthepud2 Fri 06-Jan-17 15:01:48

Sorry Jalima most of my last post was not directed at you. I think I worded it wrongly. Some other posters were doing what you thought I accused you of doing and it was directed at them. ?

Jalima Thu 05-Jan-17 19:43:07

Granny23 well said

And running a problem past a cross section of people such as on here could elicit some answers which could be useful, but often an OP just wants people to say what they want to hear to justify themselves.

This OP didn't because she asked for Help and how she and her DH could modify their own behaviour to deal with a difficult MIL, so I hope she got some help and constructive advice from the thread.

Granny23 Thu 05-Jan-17 11:36:06

Some of us on GN are indeed qualified Counsellors but could not and would not attempt to use our skills on a forum such as this. For counselling to 'work' there needs to be a trusting one to one relationship which is impossible to achieve on a forum where those offering support and advice are mainly speaking from their own individual experience and there are outbreaks of in-fighting between advisors with different points of view.

That is not to say that forums do not have a valuable role in allowing folk to run their own perception of a problem past a cross section of other people anonymously, which may give them some insight into their own situation.

Jalima Wed 04-Jan-17 21:12:43

And, of course, any 'agony aunt' giving advice on here may be a fully qualified relationship counsellor or psychotherapist for all I know.

Jalima Wed 04-Jan-17 21:07:32

Some iPads have a mind of their own

Lovey Wed 04-Jan-17 20:56:06

Update from the ether?

Jalima Wed 04-Jan-17 20:11:03

Why is that addressed to me?

The not constructive bit yes, but I said nothing about amateur relationship counselling

Neither did I say OP was making things up - but there are always two sides to a story and I have been quite sympathetic I think as I know where the OP is coming from.

Read my posts please.

Judthepud2 Wed 04-Jan-17 20:02:37

Not constructive, I agree Jalima, but to imply OP was making things up, that MIL was the one who was being victimised was not IMO constructive either. To me it seemed that some people were being unnecessarily harsh to OP, who stated that she was new to GN.

And criticising people for trying to make constructive suggestions as amateur relationship counselling was a bit unnecessary, surely. Counselling is not equivalent to giving advice!

Jalima Wed 04-Jan-17 10:03:08

You can feel empathy with someone, with a poster - but taking everything they say at face value, agreeing with them that they are completely in the right is not always the most constructive or helpful way forward.

Of course, it may not be what the OP would like to hear.

Yogagirl Wed 04-Jan-17 09:57:23

I should add I have a grandson too, but as it’s his Son, that’s a different scenario, and I was always made to feel my GS was only his parents GS not mine, but I loved him none the less.

Yogagirl Wed 04-Jan-17 09:47:17

FarNorth I understand what you are saying, but my situation is very different to Frustrateds

I won't hog Frustrated's page with my story, but in a very small nutshell; my D married a gypsy, from a big gypsy family, and as most people know they do not tolerated outsiders, so I did well to stay in my D&GD's lives for the 2.5yrs after he first came along. During my first year of being 'cut out' one by one of my D birth family were cut out too, until we were all gone from her & the C lives sad

Wendysue Wed 04-Jan-17 02:48:11

"Can you really second guess what people are feeling..."

Yah, looks like a criticism of empathy to me. Maybe only if it doesn't go with the words, "And I totally agree with everything you've done and said?"

"Amateur relationship counselling..."

What "counseling?" Just opinions like most posters here give. No one has to follow them or even read them. But the OP came here asking for advice and hopefully, she has found some that works for her, whether it's mine or other people's.

"... based on what a person may have read on the internet can however be unhelpful or even dangerous"

Or, to the contrary, quite helpful. Cuz when you (general) have seen something in dozens of posts it's very possible it will apply to the next person who comes along in a similar situation. Maybe not, but very likely. Whether it does or not, of course, the advice-seeker has to decide for themselves. But, IMO, it would be cruel not to tell them what I've seen or draw on it when I give an opinion.

For example, I've seen/heard so many stories, both by MILs and DILs, both online AND off, where a bad MIL/DIL relationship gets worse after a baby/GC is born - sometimes the MIL's fault, sometimes the DIL's fault, sometimes both, and so on - but worse, just the same. I won't say anymore about that now cuz, as the OP pointed out, it will probably be a while before she's pregnant and so, happily there's time for things with MIL to improve. (Perhaps I shouldn't even have spoken about a "birth plan" - I guess I jumped the gun there.) But the pattern does seem to exist although, fortunately, it may not fit in the OP's case.

And, of course, no one has to believe me about that pattern or interpret it the same way. It's a matter of opinion.