Continued support and fun aspects too of rebuilding lives after estrangement can't believe 4 years and we still here to offer help, friendship and support.

Not defensive at all Grangrace If you bother to read lucklylegs and eddiecat posts you will see they have put it rather well. Maybe we have hit a raw nerve perhaps you are covered in tattoos ? Why would I need to be defensive?

How would you presume to know my ed career?

You must be one of those boring life people who spend all their time lurking

I won't wast precious time responding To u again but feel free to rant on as u wish

My husband is a manger. Has tattoos.
My friend is currently finishing her training as a barrister. Tattoos.

They may have tattoos but they are good decent people.
Which it turns out can't be said for all those without tattoos.

One of my sons has got tattoos. I hate them. He is currently doing a Masters at Oxford.

Oh and isn't your ED a pharmacist Celebgran and yet she has a tattoo.Pot and kettle.

Where on any post celebgran have I displayed nasty undertones,please enlighten me or show me.I made my opinion known as everyone else has. Should I agree with your every word,this is how you come across if anyone dares have a different opinion. I have not made any nasty comment.Gosh your very defensive aren't you.

Well said lucklylegs I could not have put it better myself, when I conducted interviews it is Those first impressions and if someone had not presented themselves well or made huge effort with appearance they were a no and I would not give lengthy interview.

Yes grannygrace I recognise your nasty undertones but feel lucklylegs, eddycat and myself have managed to convey the obvious quite well. Sorry you are estranged from your son would not wish that on anyone but no reason to come on her with uncalled for nastiness,

Lucklegs ?Sorry indeed if your daughter has moved without telling you.
I would be devastated if mine did as I could no longer contact grandchildren but it would not suprise me,

Both my children had tattoos also albeit very discreet, my son was officer in army and a visible one would not have been allowed,

grannygrace I think you will find no professional person i.e. Pharmacist, doctor, etc will sport visible tattoos would we actually feel happy if they did, like luckylegs I certainly wouldn't.

certainly a store manager would not inspire confidence in me either. It's the way it is.

Granny grace, everyone is entitled to their opinions. It is well known that an interviewer will in the first 5 seconds, know if that person is for their company. We do judge books by their covers, that's life, like I wouldn't want to work with anyone with hygiene issues and scruffy clothes, you can get a nice pair of trousers and shirt from somewhere like Asda and look very smart, it shows you are taking the job seriously.I would not want a doctor, in flip flops and beachwear treating me, if I wanted to buy off the wall art work it would not bother me. It is called dressing and looking appropriately for the task. I personally can think of no professional people or those in the media with facial tattoos and piercing, perhaps in the Arts or Music. If you pay the wages you have to project the rightists for that business, tattooes doesn't do that.
This forum is not to judge, but to give support and friendship to those finding estrangement. We are all individuals and are not going to hold all the same views, I respect people having the right to think as they wish, I don't have to agree with all of them.

Lukcylegs, I just realized I missed your comment about ed earlier. I see her moving came as a shock to you, and I understand that. Also, it must seem like the "last nail" in the estrangement "coffin," so to speak. So very sorry.

It doesn't surprise me though. If one is co from someone, why would one let them know one is moving? How would that be said, anyhow? "Just a note to tell you I'm moving. Not giving you my new address, however?" Or "Moving - here's my address.... But don't ever come here or contact me here - too much water under the bridge?" Imo, not being informed of moves is par for the course in estrangements, sadly.

The fact is that many people do make judgements about people who have many tattoos - it might not be fair but it is the truth (and I`m talking as the mother of 2 children who have tattoos - which I hate). Consequently any employers will think twice about employing them because they do not want to alienate their customers.
Grannygrace - you obviously feel very strongly about this but it isn`t fair to attack everyone else whose opinions are different from your`s

How on earth you seem to think you know me from some forum I have no idea, again a misconstrued opinion. I follow this thread as yes I am estranged from my eldest DS, I do not post about it as it just rakes up things that are unlikely to change. Just goes to show how judgemental you are re people with tattoos etc. Why dont you campaign against employment for all tattooed people, or would ypu just have them do menial jobs. As for your husband not employing a person with tattoos, I think you would find that would be a case for discrimination. It does not affect how a person does their job. Talk about judging books by their covers. Strange as you don't like being judged by any other posters. Your attitude to the manager sums you up, " you lost it with him" hmmmm.

Eddiecat, I'm sorry ds marriage isn't working out, but suspect they have many differences - the difference over visits with you is probably just the tip of the iceberg - so it's very likely for the best. Of course, it also means you'll get to see your gc more, which is a blessing. I hope you understand, however, that this may not happen till they work out custody and visitation arrangements between them so may take a while.

Yoga, your daughters are beautiful and so is Laila! Aren't you worried, though, that someone may recognize them and be able to identify you?

Sorry ND's friend's efforts to "build a bridge" didn't work. It was sweet of her to try.

About tattoos - Not crazy about them either when they're head to toe (don't mind one or 2 small ones here and there). But idk if it affects someone's ability to do a job well. I don't think it was "rude" of celeb to express her opinion about it here, however, grannygrace. It's not as if she said it to the man's face. This is a good place to sound off when one feels one can't say things to someone's face, lol!

Yogagirl yes I agree tumble driers are environmentally iffy, but I have a health condition that means one will help! ..

Sorry to hear about the attempted start at reconciliation y your estD's friend...

TGIF lets hope its a sunny weekend celebgran Yogagirl Smileless eddiecat Luckylegs

Likewise luckylegs they do employ waitresses now with facial piercings in some places but it puts usmff visiting there as it also makes me feel sick,

My husband would not employ anyone covered I. Tattoos or any facial piercings either it is just not appropriate for that line of work. Even In This anything goes society some things are still taboo.

Yoga girl, so sorry you are hurt again. I know you will never stop hoping that your daughter will alter, I feel the same, but in our hearts we know we are chasing rainbows. My Daughter bears no resemblance, except physically, to that daughter I adored, it is so hard this feeling of abobdonment, it is not natural..

I hate tattoos and piercings in the face. I would never employ anyone with visable tattoos or piercing, apart from one or two ear piercings. The fact they gave chosen to go down that path would indicate that our values and aims are not mutually compatable. They make me feel physically sick. The tattoo speaks before the person. Perhaps these days you cannot discriminate against them, so I am glad I am not in that position anymore.

My nasty s.i.l is covered from head to foot in tattoos, so are all of his gypsy fiends & family, not the sort of people you want to meet on a dark night

Yogagirl that's a shame, it seems like no change there then!

Hope you feeling bit better after sad birthday,

Just had text from a good friend Taking me out for lunch today, but yesterday I felt awful did too much this week. Will have take I steady got all packing to do as yet and 2 clients next week.

We did enjoy having little ones for lunch yesterday but is tiring as with my back can't go up down stairs or even hold baby withOut sitting down " still was great see them all again

Grannygrace it's not rude to express an opinion that's. My opinion and you are rather rude yourself. However we do remember you from a long gone forum.

It depends what career no professional person would appear covered in tattoos or be considered for employment.

Morning girls

Luckylegs yes that's my niceD in the pic with my GD, both very beautiful.

Eddiecat We shouldn't be happy hearing the news that our AC marriage is over, but in our case it is good news as it means we will get to see our beloved GC at long last, shouldn't be this way Good luck

Never use a tumble dryer, very environmentally unfriendly.
[sorry t be a party pupa ]

Well I have a little bit of news; My ND's friend took it upon herself & unbeknown to us, to contact my estD, she was hoping she could build a bridge. She sent a very pleasant message saying Hi, long time no see, you have lovely looking C, my little boy is coming up to 4yrs, how time flys..... The reply from my estD is unrepeatable! Foul language, threats, asking for her add so she can come round for a "chat", my ND's friend replied You're not getting my add with a traveller husband it was bad!
But ND's friend did get a few good points in; asking doesn't she miss her mum & sister and the C are missing out on their nan & auntie She finished by saying it was the C she felt sorry for!

So it has just confirmed that there is no point trying to contact my estD whilst she is with her nasty husband. I also had a message from my estD best friend, before all this, telling me she has been cut out again [reinstated after court case, as I said in court she had been given the boot as well, so seeing their reaction to that, I think they bought her back in to make it look better from there side, that my D was allowed one friend!] My estD's friend said that my D had changed, as was no-longer the lovely sweet girl she knew! I'm going to phone her today, I stopped phoning her after the court & her reinstatement, as I thought she may, [as she had said to me], be able to get through to my D and make her see what her H was doing to her & the C was/is bad! I thought if estD knew we speak on the phone it would scupper the situation.

So hope of any reconciliation gone

Celebgran rather a sweeping statement (Covered in tattoos) what difference does that make. Yes he should of been polite when dealing with your enquiry,but to suggest he shouldn't be a manager because he has tattoos is rude of you. I know many people with tattoos both male and female who hold down very professional careers.

Sorry meant yogagirl nd

Lucklylegs think it was yogagirl no with baby,

Do you mean your daughter has moved without telling you? If so that's awful ?

I think our Ed would do that definitely

Well trying collect myself feel v nauseous today taken a Stemetil and sitting quietly,

We did an awful lot yesterday and today hope go acquacsie have booked, and got mxxxxxxx and little ones coming for snack lunch so hope improve,

We saw brilliant show lad night with our good friends and I had dr appt 9 20 with my lovley dr,
Then onto do food shop. Then round colchester taking few bits back dunelm was awful we took pan back unused still in packaging as worried woudomscrafch ceramic hob, manager took abputm15minutes deciding wether refund us, while I had sit and wait cnar stand as unladies know, he said fingerprints on lid so we may have used it ?After dh came over with refund am afraid I asked see manager and lost it wih him, he was so ignorant how do they get management jobs? Covered in tattoos and no idea how talk politely,

What sort world is it now,? The shop assistant apologised for him!!.,

Rant over.

Then went to george (Asda)couldn't find receipt butntheynexchange chappie sandals no problem with a smile and apology I had return them.,.,.,!!
So at least one store got it right,

just looked at posts after two busy days. Saw the lovely picture of Yogagirl with her baby granddaughter, Yogagirl looks so pretty and happy holding the little girl, it just isn't right how things have turned out for her. Found out my daughter has moved into a new home, can't get more final than that. Full of panic. Got to get back on track. Reading about your various pets, they bring so much happiness.
Eddiecat, I do hope your dil keeps her promises to your son, it has got to be better than the life than the life he had been living,

eddiecat fingers crossed for you, that things emerge positively including your DS having a relatively smooth divorce process and you then resume seeing your DGD..

celebgran no I havent got heated towel rails - a dryer can get a towel ready for use, warmed more thoroughly than a heated towel rail BUT thats just my opnions celeb

Fairydoll - I think he brought things to a head but she accepted that they cannot carry on as they have been - especially as the children are starting to be affected. She is a very volatile young woman so I am not opmistic that the split will be "civilised"