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Remarried:husband's difficult attitude to family

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manny Wed 15-Feb-17 15:35:09

I've trawled many of the discussions and can't really find anything which deals with the problems I'm experiencing, so I'd like to reach out to see if you can all help.I've followed the thread on grumpy husbands (which is certainly a part of the problem) but - while many comments struck a chord with me and were very helpful- there's a bit more to it than that!
So, long story short: I remarried two and a half years ago after being alone for a long period. I am 68 and my DH is 8 years older. We have been together for seven years. For four of those years, I lived in my own house. He spent a great deal of time there and I started to cook for him and to help with his business. He is helpful towards me in many ways and we lead an enviable life.
He has no children. He has one brother with whom he does not have a close relationship. I have three children and five grandchildren. When we moved in together three years ago, my DD and her DH and two DDs came to stay for what was supposed to be a week. He found this very challenging. He expects a very high standard of discipline from the girls. I found it all a huge strain. After three days they left to stay with my other DD who lives close by. My DD who had been staying with us was distraught at the way things had turned out, as was I. She and my GDs had been used to staying with me and had been able to relax and enjoy some fun and family closeness. This caused a very bitter row between my then partner and me. I thought we had resolved some issues as a result - but they did not come back to stay, preferring instead to go to her sister and family. This broke my heart. After this Christmas, they stayed with us for a couple of nights as her sister was ill. All the problems were exactly as they had been on the previous visit three years earlier. Complaints about the children's manners and so on and so on……
I felt so badly about this and have persuaded my DH to go to marriage guidance to try to work it all out. I want to stay with my DH and want to work at the relationship. After several visits now, It's still as much of a problem, culminating in an appointment today when it was apparent that we have very different views. The session ended with my DH saying that my grandchildren could 'do no wrong' in my eyes. This causes me great distress - it seems that there is no solution to this problem. I could minimise contact between him and my DD and kids (is that a marriage?) Or I can give up altogether. I go to visit them for several days at a time, but always on my own. Is there anyone out there who's had some experience of this who can share it with me?

Jayanna9040 Sat 15-Apr-17 11:16:45

Let him go. It's obvious that you are happier with your family than him and would rather be with them. Let him find someone else who can love him.

Witzend Sat 15-Apr-17 11:11:50

If finances permit, how about sending him off to one of those 'no kids' hotels when the family are visiting?
Sadly I can't imagine him changing his attitudes enough when they're evidently so ingrained, and it would seem that he doesn't really want to change them.

I have a friend whose 2nd husband never had children, and he could be 'funny' about her wanting to see her own grown up dcs and grandchildren. I think he resented her attention being diverted from him, but he was a very self centred man altogether.

manny Wed 12-Apr-17 19:29:18

Have been away and have just started catching up. I'm so sorry to hear about your marriage breakdown Bean123. I can identify completely with your feelings - I really think there is a strong possibility mine will end too. We have a beautiful house in France with a self contained apartment. My son, his wife and their 3 year old have been staying in it for a few days. The atmosphere created by my DH is awful - I don't respond well to the strain and get really stressed out. My DH left to go back home as he's organising an event over Easter. I felt we could all breathe again. I'm no longer walking on eggshells wondering what the next criticism will be. The difference is astounding. I feel so sorry for him - he's consumed by anxiety but I can do nothing to help him. He won't listen to me. He's rude and unreasonable. The only solution would seem to be to come here on my own with the family. What a shame

Bean123 Fri 07-Apr-17 22:28:41

I've recently left my 13 year marriage for several reasons but main one being similar to yours. Him putting a wedge between me and my children. The ties between a mother and her children can never be broken. Although mine are adults now I eventually realised that I could no longer bear the thought that they no longer wanted to visit me because of my ex husband's behaviour toward them. It's early days since I left and yes I'm lonely, unhappy and unsure of the future but I am now free to build stronger relationships with my much loved children and grandchildren. Why do some men have to do this? The last thing I want at my age is divorce but I felt I had no option as he wasn't going to change. I hope you can work things out. Whatever you do you're welcome to contact me for some words of support.

Starlady Tue 28-Feb-17 14:08:04

Sounds like dh wants to have his cake and eat it too! Doesn't want your family there but doesn't want to be alone. So I'm not so sure he'll choose to "take himself off somewhere" when family is around, unless it is someplace where he has friends or family of his own.

Does he object when you leave to visit your ac and their families? He's going to have to decide which he prefers - having you see your family without involving him or being with you even when your family is there. He's going to have to understand he can't have it all his way.

I think you're disappointed because you hoped the counseling would change dh's attitude and it hasn't. But, at least, maybe it will get him to change his behavior when your ac and families come over, even if that means he leaves the house. I suspect you were hoping that he would suddenly "see the light" and welcome your family with open arms. Sorry, but I think you're going to have to take whatever you can get out of him or rethink if you want to be with him.

SueSchrip Tue 28-Feb-17 06:07:04

Going to your children without DH seems like a lovely solution. Well done you.

Bluebell123 Tue 28-Feb-17 05:19:34

Hello Mannie, Well done! The counselling has helped you to find a resolution which seems to me to be the best option.
Your problem seems to me that your husband is jealous and doesn't like your attention being on your family.The second problem is that he isn't considering your happiness. You hoped he would change but he won't bend.
That's probably why you feel so upset and disappointed.
Perhaps you can share the palaver that's been going on with your children, let them know how upsetting this has been for you and how important it is for you to have them visit.
I hope it works out for you.Do look after yourself.

FarNorth Thu 23-Feb-17 17:21:21

We obviously don't have a full picture of this man's character but from what has been said about him, so far, by manny it sounds as if he is quite selfish.

Is he giving consideration to how you feel, manny, and to what he can do to improve the situation?
Or is he only concerned about his own problems with being disrupted by visits, or of feeling alone when you are not there?

wilygran Thu 23-Feb-17 10:13:50

I don't like the sound of "can't bear to be alone" - that rings massive warning bells. Wives aren't comfort blankets and it does make you wonder what his expectations of marriage were when he went into it. I'd go to more counselling on your own to help you sort out your own feelings. Many posters like me who said we can manage to do things separately (certainly in my own case) may not have "clingy" partners, even if they can't deal with a step family.

f77ms Thu 23-Feb-17 08:55:59

SAAK , I agree that he will never change and may even get worse ! I just don`t understand these men , it as if they want to isolate you so they get all your attention . hmm

stillaliveandkicking Wed 22-Feb-17 22:56:51

OP I know you have invested a lot into this person.

However, he will never change and has showed you his true colours.

Personally, I would chose my family (children) over this man.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 22-Feb-17 22:47:54

If someone doesn't enhance your life then they shouldn't be in it.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 22-Feb-17 22:34:28

This thread isn't about independence though is it. It's about a woman that met a man in later life that was great when they had separate lives. Once they married and became joined he makes her life a misery.

I personally believe that he, whether its because he's never had a family (secretly think he's not a nice person) can't adapt to what makes his wife happy.

Jalima Wed 22-Feb-17 22:28:33

Don't you ever go away on your own then saak?
It's called independence

stillaliveandkicking Wed 22-Feb-17 22:26:46

Enabling yet again huh Jalima wink

Jalima Wed 22-Feb-17 22:20:54

Have a lovely time manny and enjoy your family

Let him stew in his own juice on his own, you may decide to stay a bit longer if you are really enjoying yourself! wink

Ginny42 Wed 22-Feb-17 22:04:59

Some laughs with your daughter and time with the family - just what the Dr ordered. Have a lovely time and by the time you return I hope your DH has had plenty of time to ponder upon what a dilemma he's placed you in.

Take lots of photos having fun and making new memories with the family so you have them to look through when you're missing them.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 22-Feb-17 21:58:00

I have no idea why you still want to stay with this man, what for? Are you frightened of being on your own?

MissAdventure Wed 22-Feb-17 20:52:59

Seems like your husband is going to learn how to bear being alone, manny. As you say, not ideal, but its a fair compromise. Hope your hubby is going to be magnanimous about it.

manny Wed 22-Feb-17 20:44:55

Thank you all for your comments - they made me feel as if I wasn't completely insane, as quite a few of the posters have experienced something similar - or, indeed, worse. I must admit that I had thought that a few counselling sessions would have sorted this out,but that's not going to happen. Last week DH was still expressing the same views as he's done for years, so no change
Today, the counsellor outlined our options, and I think that he now will take himself off somewhere or other when family's around. This is not my preferred outcome, but if it leads to some sort of resolution, I'll have to get used to it. Can't rally understand why I feel so let down and upset though.
In the session he stated that he 'can't bear to be alone'. Seems as if that's what he's inviting. Off on Saturday to see DD, DS and DGC for a few days. Alone, of course! Can't wait! DD and I going out for dinner Sat evening, so looking forward to a few laughs - there aren't too many of those around here.

Starlady Wed 22-Feb-17 06:26:48

Though I get that the op wants to have relaxed visits with her ac and their families in her home, it's her new dh's home, too, and adjustments and compromises have to be made when we marry.

If your differences on this are too great, manny, is this a reflection of the rest of your marriage? If it is, then maybe you need to rethink the marriage. Otherwise, better to find some way to compromise, imo, even if it means seeing your ac and gc outside your home.

But Carol22, agreeing with everything your dh says? That's a lot to ask, imo. How controlling is dh that people don't dare disagree?!

Yorkshiregel Tue 21-Feb-17 15:35:39

My dil's father has driven everyone away. Friends and family alike. His own son went to live abroad to get away from him. He is so picky and so 'I know best' that nobody has a chance in a conversation. He loves to bore you with how fit he is and how he keeps that way. His rules are paramount in the house and when his dil and son came to visit from abroad he was so horrible to the little boy, don't touch this, don't do that, do not mess the house up with toys, eat everything on your plate etc etc that dil took the son home after three days of it and she has now had a letter from Grandad to say he wants 'no more contact'! He is a horrible self-centred grumpy old man and I do not think his wife dare stick up for herself as she goes along with his demands. She has taken to going for a coffee with my dil, her daughter, so that she can get out of the house now and again.

Personally I would either move out or tell him to. He is never going to change now as he is over 80yrs old.

FarNorth Tue 21-Feb-17 13:23:14

It may seem better, Carola22 but the result is that your daughter and, in particular, your grandchildren are being taught that they should give in to a bully.

LuckyFour Mon 20-Feb-17 19:57:01

You must assert yourself Manny, he is bullying you all. Do have the children and their parents to stay for as long as you want to. It's your home as well as his. He sounds rather unpleasant, selfish and (like many men) believes he is always right. Don't let him destroy you and your loving family relationships. Keep it all going and tell him to shut up.

Carola22 Mon 20-Feb-17 19:29:08

I know exactly how you feel I have had a similar problem for years now I try to limit visits to around 3 days max that's as long as I can walk on eggshells trying to keep everyone happy my husband is good in many ways but laid back he is not , it's his rules and regulations in his house(he forgets it is half mine) My daughter and grandchildren now know how to keep on the right side of him by just agreeing with everything he says whilst they are here it's annoying to me they have to do this but it keeps the peace and is far better than the arguments that used to occur with them storming out of the house vowing never to return It's difficult I know but I do manage to visit them for a week at a time when we can be our easygoing selves without any conflict and I would recommend this to you if you want to keep everyone happy Both you and I are missing out on family life as it should be but the alternative is to leave and if all other aspects of your marriage are good this seems a drastic step to take.