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How To Heal From Estrangement

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nina1959 Sat 01-Apr-17 16:46:10

I thought I'd start this new thread because unfortunately, estrangement is now such a huge part of family life today. I've written articles, I've run groups for bereft parents and I've researched the topic for 5 years.
What I found was that none of us are immune. It can happen to any family and if anyone thought it only happens in families where there has been a history of divorce or abuse, in which case, cutting contact may well be justified, my findings were that estrangement was and is occurring in the most stable nuclear families too.
What's causing it?

There are various reasons but one common thread appears to be that there is usually a third party trying to control the relationship. Money and the unreal expectations on parents today to keep giving were also a common reason.
If you speak to teachers, many will say that today's generation of 30 somethings, had a high level of entitlement along with high level of expectation.
Consequently when reality fails to measure up, they either get very angry or very frustrated and these feelings are often unleashed on the parents with the removal of grandchildren and total cut off.
There are other reasons too but with the exception of a history of abuse, I could find no reason that warranted the total cutting off of a loving parent.
The suffering, pain, loneliness and bereftness inflicted upon these parents has led some of them to be suicidal. I do a voluntary role where I'm in touch with some of them to keep them from harming themselves at times such as Christmas and birthdays.
Read any forum where an AC has posted looking for advice and the popular reply is 'cut them off'! You don't need that c**p in your life'.
How do complete strangers advise another person to end their relationship with their parents?
In this sense, social media is playing it's part in the destruction of family relationships and persecution of the parents.

When we've done all we can to make amends, how do we recover? It's very hard and the challenge is not to become bitter or depressed.
I know these are the main symptoms but it's these we have to overcome.

I believe the parents are mostly not to blame. Estrangement is a current trend born out of a hidden societal sickness today. If we look at the main influences, we can see there's not a lot of caring or giving being shared around. Even the media would rather glorify celebrity lives than post real stories about real and more serious news items.

When I first began researching there was nothing out there online apart from a brick wall of silence and shame. I started my group and a deluge of parents poured out their stories. It grew and kept on growing and now there are many groups and forums all with parents reporting the same issue of being cut off.

With some stories, it was clear that nothing could fix the rift. Begging, pleading, apologising all fell on deaf ears and so parents were enduring years of being snubbed, ignored, left out and treated as though they didn't exist. It was bad enough for two parents but for those parents living on their own, their daily lives were a living nightmare of endless grief.

And so I wrote articles pointing out this evil spreading through our families like a wildfire. Even psychologists now agree there is a problem. This makes a welcome change from blaming the parents. We can't all be that bad that we can all be this wrong. Something else is happening.

And so the main advice was that this trend is going to take a generation to fix, if indeed it can be fixed and that all we can do is to start nurturing and taking care of each other.
And so that's what we did. Myself and others formed a small group and we supported each other through our bleakest of days.
This was the start of picking up the threads of our lives and rebuilding a new start for us.
It was hard at first but with each others support, we all began to move slowly forwards together.
And so I am here to tell you now that there is life after estrangement and that there is light, laughter and grace too.
I'll stop this post here for now because I've got a cup of tea waiting but I hope we can start a thread based on helping each other start moving forwards.

PennieDJ Wed 26-Apr-17 11:27:26

I have been reading this tread with interest and glad in the knowledge that I am not the only grandmother being subjected to being cut off from my son and grandson. It is unbearable grief at times. I am being emotionally blackmailed for money which makes it even worse - if I give money I can have everything I want - my family and my grandson. This has been going on for 6 years now. My husband died in 2009 and I feel my grieving has been extended with this family loss. I feel very alone and it is not helped by everyone else having their family and grandchildren around them. This forum has certainly helped Thank You

celebgran Mon 24-Apr-17 20:54:24

Have to add I never received any housekeeping from my daughter ever and when she started working as pharmacist after supporting her for all those years at uni she went off on one when we mentioned contributing something,

Maybe we were too easy going, easy to say afterwards,

However I never had drink drugs to deal with my heart goes out to you,

celebgran Mon 24-Apr-17 20:51:43

Sugarpuff so pleased you have had so much suport on this thread and just wanted to add mine also to my post, a huge hug also ?❤️?

I had no idea it was so very bad for you it's outrageous not to feel safe in your home, so very very sorry to hear that.

How distressing at least my e daughter could be very loving and kind despite her awful temper tantrums we did love each other so

I would be devastated if I were you, and I do think yes move is only option if you feel strong enough,

Please keep us posted.

Norah Mon 24-Apr-17 16:11:25

I vote sensible. Do what works for you. Expect the same of your dd.

Everyone has rules. Mine are somewhat old fashioned and strict. My daughters and granddaughters also have very distinct but less 'yesterday' rules for their homes.

Luckylegs9 Mon 24-Apr-17 15:35:35

Certainly not straight laced, you have done all you can and above. Your turn now. You can do it.

Smileless2012 Mon 24-Apr-17 11:46:36

Not straight laced at all SPF, it's perfectly reasonable to want your 'rules' for want of a better way of expressing it, respected.

We were really worried about leaving our home of 28 years in the village where we'd lived for 30 but it wasn't nearly as upsetting as we thought it would be. Moving has enabled us to begin a new chapter in our lives. We've bought all of our good memories with us and although of course the sad ones are with us too, they're easier to bear because those things happened in a different place.

Penstemmon Mon 24-Apr-17 07:50:58

Not straight laced, sensible.

Sugarpufffairy Sun 23-Apr-17 22:25:08

Penst. I have never ever received "rent or digs" money from any of the DDs. Both partners were DGC dads but they both have criminal records which would have affected my insurance and they had drink and drugs involvement. I suppose I could be classed as straight laced. I do not want any of that in my house. I would have been expected to pay all bills provide food and lifts here and there. I have always been expected to pay for everyone even when I was on benefits due to health issues. Not what I had in mind for me or the DDs
I will be doing my utmost to find a new place. Even if it is a temporary move to start with.
SPF

Penstemmon Sun 23-Apr-17 21:18:54

SPF your DDs are adults and should know that you set the 'house rules' in your own home. That does not sound unreasonable to me.
If their partners were temporary they were absolutely not your responsibility. If they were long term partners,e.g. DGC dad, then they and your DDs should be contributing to running costs of home if they were thinking of living with you. Good luck in your future plans,

Sugarpufffairy Sun 23-Apr-17 21:02:14

Pent - I think in a lot of cases there may be a lot of inability to communicate. In my case I was very clear that I would be happy to have both DD and both GB living at home but I would not be housing their partners. There was a demand that DD got a double bed because she is bigger than me! There was a lot of the partners visiting and failing to go home, this also happened at relatives houses but none of us would accept this. We would actually drive the males home. The DDs thought they would get round me with perseverance.
It has always been the case that I can only see the DGC if I have complied with all demands. I would never have done that to my parents nor would they have done that to their parents. The younger generation have other ideas.
I was being a bit of a doormat but the line was very much that I would not provide for the partners.
Thank you for your views.
SPF

Sugarpufffairy Sun 23-Apr-17 20:54:46

Smileless 2012 Thank you so much for the hug. Very much needed and appreciated.
I am living in my family home which is going to be hard to leave but on the other hand there is no-one here and it is sad to think of those people who no longer can be here. Thinking of the older people I just do not know what they would say about the way I am treated. I think even the ladies could use strong language!
I am hoping that a move will bring a better life for me too. I just think it can not be much worse than this. I will be choosing the house myself and there will be things that I want to have before I have interest in a house. It will not be easy to find this wonderful house but I do have options in the meantime. I have the alternative of a flat for the time being. I could also rent for a while to check out an area. I am lucky to have these options.
Ladies I can not thank you all enough. You have all been so kind to me which is quite overcoming but lovely.
SPF

Smileless2012 Sun 23-Apr-17 15:43:52

You can't have too many hugs SPF so here's a BIG (((HUG))) from me too. I'm so terribly sorry that you are having to deal with this awful situation. Bad enough that you are clearly fearful of your D but are also understandably concerned about your GC's welfare.

We moved almost 6 months ago to put some distance between us and our ES. We were thankfully not on the receiving end of the abuse that you've experienced; it was living just 15 doors away from them and our only GC that after 4 years proved too much.

Moving has made an enormous difference to the quality of our lives. As we all know, buying and selling houses is stressful at the best of times but it really was the best thing we could have done.

I hope that moving away will be a positive experience for you too and that you'll regain some peace and a sense of safety.

Sugarpufffairy Sun 23-Apr-17 14:23:01

Mcm - The HT has met me a number of times as I was second on emergency contact. HT is also aware of the problems with BioF. She is aware how volatile DD can be. I dont think there is SSPCC anymore. If a report came from the school there is still a possibility that I would be blamed. I can do nothing right!
Norah - I do not have DD at my house any longer. It is just too risky. It is also embarrassing to be shouted and sworn at in the street or even in the house as this can be heard outside as well. Once I have moved away it might be easier
Thanks ladies
SPF

Penstemmon Sun 23-Apr-17 14:14:24

In my experience of estranged families it has often begun with inability to communicate,often faults on both sides. That,along with a kind of desperation .Parents trying to keep doors open become the doormat/AC see parent as weak and then when P does stand up to AC the estrangement weapon is used. Whatever the circumstances it results in a lot of distress for all parties. sad

Norah Sun 23-Apr-17 14:09:59

Sugarpufffairy, Why is it necessary to allow your daughter in you home or presence? Telling SS confidentially could be a way forward? Maybe move to the verge and allow SS to do their job.

mcem Sun 23-Apr-17 13:58:57

SPF from experience as a teacher I'm pretty sure that all concerns put to NSPCC (or is it SSPCC in your case?) are referred directly to SS.
Have you spoken directly to the school?
Once again, if they report concerns it will go straight to L.A. SS.

Sugarpufffairy Sun 23-Apr-17 13:27:05

I have told Nspcc that I dont trust SS to do things properly and I was told not to give any identifying info. I am hoping that DGC's school will watch out for them. It is so hard but if she is prepared to bruise me for no specific reason she would tear me apart if I told SS

Starlady Sun 23-Apr-17 02:54:14

But it looks like NSPCC is going to contact SS, anyway, is that it? I hope it all works out and that your fears about SS turn out to be unfounded.

Sugarpufffairy Sat 22-Apr-17 23:52:35

Sorry bad grammar there. It should read "Their follow up"

Sugarpufffairy Sat 22-Apr-17 23:43:59

Hi Star
I am unhappy not to see DGC and also unhappy not to have the DDs that they used to be. I fear they have got into bad company and acting even more so. It appears that in the second one even the friends are not so close. I am taking it seriously that I could be in a very dangerous situation and that my safety is important.
I have discussed the DGC situation with NSPCC and they have confirmed that they are also concerned. They give Ref. no to cases they would like to follow up. There follow up is to contact the SS dept local to the child. The NSPCC have stated that there is no other alternative. Even if I was to inform police they would contact SS. I am worried but would be even more worried if SS became involved.
Thank you so much for the hugs. Such a change in my life
SPF

Starlady Sat 22-Apr-17 22:33:43

More (((hugs))) then, Sugar.

I hope you can move soon. It will hurt not to see your dgc, but you're not seeing them, anyhow, since you are co. And the visits don't seem to be any good. Imo, your safety comes first.

Idk what to tell you about the dgc. I understand that you don't think SS is the right agency to call. Did you get any results from your report to NSPCC? I hope so.

Sugarpufffairy Sat 22-Apr-17 22:19:10

Hi Starlady
The incident with the severe bruising happened in August last year. I was visited by SS but due to previous experiences I do not think they are the right people to deal with this so I decided that I would just stay away as much as possible.
I also thought that if SS went to her door with this she would definitely never let me near DGC. I have had DGC for the odd babysitting but not nearly as much as previously. I have also seen similar bruising on DGC. I know that should be reported but again SS are not the right people, they make such a mess of things. I have it listed with NSPCC.
I was asked for Christmas and I went so that I could see DGC but they were stuck in the bedroom most of the time. I gave presents which were complained about. My ability to eat the meal was complained about. DGC was expect to food that makes them gag. I left as soon as possible. I have only seen them once or twice since and always a horrible situation. Also money is owed and I am bad for expecting repayment. I have been cut off since this.
This is why it is essential that I find a new place to live. I am just giving up with it all. I really need peace more than anything. I have changed all the locks and alarms at the house. I still don't feel safe. I want a new car but that will have to wait until I move. I do not want a new car seen.
My DGC know this is all wrong. I worry for DGC but there seems to be no other way than SS and they are just not the people I would trust.
Thanks for hugs. Could you believe that since all my older relatives died, I have not had a hug or even a word of comfort from the DCs. Hugs are gratefully accepted.
Thanks to everyone for being so kind to me.
SPF

Starlady Sat 22-Apr-17 21:56:26

Hi again, Sugarpufffairy! So glad our words meant so much to you. To me, this is the kind of thing that GN is all about. Good to see it working for you!

"I was severely bruised by one DD and this was seen in a medical examination and reported."

This^^ alarms me! Ac can be thoughtless and cruel, sometimes, without even realizing it. So while damaging your self-esteem was wrong - emotional abuse? - I thought perhaps they didn't see what they were doing. But "severley bruising" you? Let's call it what it is - physical abuse. I'm glad it was reported, but where did the report lead? Have you gotten an RO (restraining order) against your dd? Was she contacted by the authorities?

We hear a lot about people going NC (no contact) here, sometimes for no obvious reason. I don't usually like to see that happen. But if there ever was a case for cutting someone out of your life, this is it, imo. At least, with the one d who physically abused you. As for the rest, I would seriously lower contact with them.

Lots of (((hugs))

Sugarpufffairy Sat 22-Apr-17 20:30:12

Ladies
How very lovely of you all. I am in tears at the lovely things you have said.
I used to be full of confidence or at least I think I must have been. My job involved approaching strangers and getting them to speak to me. (no money involved apart from my pay) I did this job for about 20 or 25 years. I have had compliments and was promoted to 2nd in charge in the country of an international company.
I competed nationally in a sport when I was late teens.
I have a car and prefer to go out in that though sometimes take a taxi if parking is likely to be a problem.
I have bought make up a very expensive brand or so I think anyway. I still have to have the courage to change my hair style.
Recently one lady contacted me from a FB page, she had been a neighbour when we were children. I took all my courage and contacted a name I recognised from school days. She came back to me and have been messaging since.
I do wonder why my DDs have been so difficult to me. I think money is involved but even so there was no need to destroy my courage. I was ill and worried and they took advantage. They must have really awful lives if this is how they get their fun!
I am trying to get out to places around here. I have even taken myself to the coast. I will try hard to get my life back and move on from this. I have had counselling, CBT, the lady knew what I was going through and wanted to report my situation. I was severely bruised by one DD and this was seen in a medical examination and reported.
I am so touched by all the ladies here. I am so lucky to have such supportive friends. Thank you all so much.
SPF
flowers to everyone

celebgran Tue 18-Apr-17 09:27:12

Sugarpuff listen to us all you are worth it! Please try take babystepsmrebuilt yourmconfidence,

My daughter did hatchet job on me and my self esteem and confidence I don't think the vulnerability will ever gol

However I do know people do care about me and I a much not the unloved person she wanted to portray me as,

It's hard as people we love so much like our daughters have that power to hurt us so badly.

I will always thank god for my son and othernclose family and friends who have cared and still do through my horrendous health problems.

We will all support you please value yourself sugarpuff xxx