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How To Heal From Estrangement

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nina1959 Sat 01-Apr-17 16:46:10

I thought I'd start this new thread because unfortunately, estrangement is now such a huge part of family life today. I've written articles, I've run groups for bereft parents and I've researched the topic for 5 years.
What I found was that none of us are immune. It can happen to any family and if anyone thought it only happens in families where there has been a history of divorce or abuse, in which case, cutting contact may well be justified, my findings were that estrangement was and is occurring in the most stable nuclear families too.
What's causing it?

There are various reasons but one common thread appears to be that there is usually a third party trying to control the relationship. Money and the unreal expectations on parents today to keep giving were also a common reason.
If you speak to teachers, many will say that today's generation of 30 somethings, had a high level of entitlement along with high level of expectation.
Consequently when reality fails to measure up, they either get very angry or very frustrated and these feelings are often unleashed on the parents with the removal of grandchildren and total cut off.
There are other reasons too but with the exception of a history of abuse, I could find no reason that warranted the total cutting off of a loving parent.
The suffering, pain, loneliness and bereftness inflicted upon these parents has led some of them to be suicidal. I do a voluntary role where I'm in touch with some of them to keep them from harming themselves at times such as Christmas and birthdays.
Read any forum where an AC has posted looking for advice and the popular reply is 'cut them off'! You don't need that c**p in your life'.
How do complete strangers advise another person to end their relationship with their parents?
In this sense, social media is playing it's part in the destruction of family relationships and persecution of the parents.

When we've done all we can to make amends, how do we recover? It's very hard and the challenge is not to become bitter or depressed.
I know these are the main symptoms but it's these we have to overcome.

I believe the parents are mostly not to blame. Estrangement is a current trend born out of a hidden societal sickness today. If we look at the main influences, we can see there's not a lot of caring or giving being shared around. Even the media would rather glorify celebrity lives than post real stories about real and more serious news items.

When I first began researching there was nothing out there online apart from a brick wall of silence and shame. I started my group and a deluge of parents poured out their stories. It grew and kept on growing and now there are many groups and forums all with parents reporting the same issue of being cut off.

With some stories, it was clear that nothing could fix the rift. Begging, pleading, apologising all fell on deaf ears and so parents were enduring years of being snubbed, ignored, left out and treated as though they didn't exist. It was bad enough for two parents but for those parents living on their own, their daily lives were a living nightmare of endless grief.

And so I wrote articles pointing out this evil spreading through our families like a wildfire. Even psychologists now agree there is a problem. This makes a welcome change from blaming the parents. We can't all be that bad that we can all be this wrong. Something else is happening.

And so the main advice was that this trend is going to take a generation to fix, if indeed it can be fixed and that all we can do is to start nurturing and taking care of each other.
And so that's what we did. Myself and others formed a small group and we supported each other through our bleakest of days.
This was the start of picking up the threads of our lives and rebuilding a new start for us.
It was hard at first but with each others support, we all began to move slowly forwards together.
And so I am here to tell you now that there is life after estrangement and that there is light, laughter and grace too.
I'll stop this post here for now because I've got a cup of tea waiting but I hope we can start a thread based on helping each other start moving forwards.

Luckylegs9 Tue 18-Apr-17 07:46:19

SPF
All above is good advice. If you do not like public transport, why don't you get a taxi, decide where you want to go. Perhaps at first the Senior Cinema, you won't be on your own there, you might end up just having a conversation with the person next to you, you could have your taxi booked for the return, but you will have gone out. If you contact Age Concern, they will have ideas of what is available for people in your age group. Spend your money on you, no matter if things seem expensive, at least you won't be giving it away. Titan do breaks in England, where they pick you up at home, take you to the coach and will make sure you don't eat alone. Go for it, we are all scared that first time, but what us the alternative. Let us know what you decide to do.

Yogagirl Tue 18-Apr-17 07:35:36

Sugarpuff flowers

nina1959 Mon 17-Apr-17 18:34:02

Sugarpufffairy, I have a business, I work. I can't always be on board to pick up thy sword and fight. But you know, you speak volumes for many of us. Greetings and welcome to our new world. You'll be fine. xxx

Starlady Thu 13-Apr-17 15:22:43

Sugarpuff, my heart goes out to you! It's awful that your DC have damaged your confidence so severely! It's good that you reached out to us, but I hope you seek some counseling as well. You deserve better than this and reaching out for help this way is the first step towards getting it. (((Hugs)))

Starlady Thu 13-Apr-17 15:20:09

Welcome jimmyRFU! Sorry to hear about your troubles! Obviously, you and dil stress each other out. It may be just as well if you aren't on vacation together. You would be walking on those eggshells all the time and probably wouldn't enjoy it the way you think.

It was very rude of them to ignore you when they visited your other ds (dear son). I don't blame you for wanting them to leave. But I'm not sure whose house it was - yours or your other ds'? (I know it wasn't dil's, even if she acted like it was!). Of course, they should at least be polite, no matter where they are, but particularly in your home.

Maybe they were ignoring you because of the tensions among the 3 of you? Perhaps that was their crude way of dealing with that?

I don't blame hubby for accusing them of "using" you people. Accepting money from you and leaving their dog with you, but then turning around and not speaking and making accusations to hubby - what rubbish behavior!

Maybe you and hubby should think twice before loaning/giving them money again or watching their dog. But maybe since he had a go at them, they won't ask again for a while. Unfortunately, they may keep their distance from him right now, too. But maybe you all need some space from each other, for a while, anyhow?

jimmyRFU Wed 12-Apr-17 00:43:51

I've recently joined gransnet. I'm not a grandparent yet. But I'm old enough. My oldest AC and his wife behaviour is very hurtful. We had her live with us when they first got together. Then they moved out. Got married just over a year ago. A couple of occasions they were here visiting our other son late one evening and ignored me. When I said about them going home DIL went mad at me. Like I was imposing rules on her in her house. She didn't speak for days then defrosted a bit. This happened twice. I never relaxed when she is around. Walking on eggshells. Now the holiday I've booked for us all to go on may not happen because they phoned hubby to say just being with me is very stressful. Hubby has a go at them for using us. They are only too pleased to take money or leave their dog here and go away for a week. It's all so hurtful.

Norah Tue 11-Apr-17 14:35:42

I am so sorry. "Be with people who smudge your lipstick, not your mascara."

Sugarpufffairy "I just need courage."

Baby steps, you can come back with baby steps. Write a journal of positive thoughts, adding at least one more each day. Find beauty in nature and surroundings. You are worthy to be loved.

Smileless2012 Tue 11-Apr-17 11:03:11

What a great post rubyladysmile I hope you've read it SPF and taken on board everything ruby's said.

No on has the right to make you feel this way SPF, no one; it's despicable, I don't know how they manage to sleep at night. You've taken a huge and courageous step by deciding that you're not prepared to take any more of their abuse so let that be the foundation of the new life you're going to build for yourselfflowers.

rubylady Mon 10-Apr-17 23:02:46

Sugarpuff How dare these people make you feel like that, that is diabolical behaviour. You are beautiful, smart, kind, gentle and a very caring lady. Cut these poisonous people out of your life, they will totally destroy you otherwise.

If you decide to do that, write down their names on a piece of paper (not the children, obviously), cut it out individually. Write down what these people do to you, how they make you feel and, as you burn the paper with the names on, say out loud that they will no longer do the things on your list. Repeat three times that you are strong and you are worthy. Set yourself free. Believe it, feel it, live it.

Then you start making plans for your own life, new clothes, make up, hair do, visiting new places, catching up with old friends, chilling with a DVD, whatever, it's your life. Don't ever let anyone put you down again. Today is the end of it. You are my friend and you are very special.

I'm sending you a great big hug.

"Be with people who smudge your lipstick, not your mascara."

Lots of love, let me know how you are getting on. Xxx

Sugarpufffairy Mon 10-Apr-17 18:14:39

I have decided after years of being in and out of my DCs life, and therefore the DGC too, that I do not wish to submit to this treatment.
Unfortunately the DCs have done a right job on me of destroying any shred of confidence. I have had years of being told I am useless but my money is not useless it seems.
I want to go out and enjoy the time where all responsibilities are over. I am scared to drive or travel by public transport of any kind. I am scared to meet people because I have been told I am old and ugly and look stupid.
I know that a demand for money will come soon but I want to refuse any more money.
I want to have the courage to go out places, have holidays etc. I just need courage.
SPF

Starlady Mon 10-Apr-17 13:37:56

Can't get over this! Why would someone want money from people they don't want to be around? "Gift" or not? Such hypocrisy!

But ruby, you suggest it "skips a generation." So it does run in families? Is it genetic then, do you think? NOT trying to excuse the behavior, just to maybe find an explanation for it.

rubylady Mon 10-Apr-17 13:05:08

I know, it's sad isn't it, in a way that they think that money is more important than having their own mother in their life. They say it skips a generation and my mother is obsessed with money, so maybe my ED is taking after her. The karma will be that my grandchildren will take after me! grin

celebgran Sat 08-Apr-17 16:58:02

No myndaightermhadnway of making me feel obliged to keep giving Rather stupid that it sôunds now her dad was t so keen I can See why now, but you never dream your much loved daughter is using you ?!

celebgran Sat 08-Apr-17 16:56:10

Yep starlady ungrateful is polite word When we wasked for some of herndads pension fund back if they wanted nothing more to do with us we were told no it was a gift our money was ok but not us?Never mind karma does strike but not want I wish just try let it go bitterness doesn't help anyone,

Starlady Sat 08-Apr-17 16:30:34

And how ungrateful!

Starlady Sat 08-Apr-17 16:30:16

Huh? How did they hold the money you people gave them against you? In what way? Did they ever turn it down (I bet not)? How weird!

celebgran Sat 08-Apr-17 14:01:11

Well done nina, only just seen. This thread,

Emma54 sadly you are not right, in my case anyway my daughter wrote list forms and against which my husband read, and main reason against was the moneymwe gave them!

Looking back I realsie I was rather stupid if my ed pleased poverty or hardship I was there, her husband was never going to work very hard, indeed he onlynworks part time now,

I just wanted her to be happy and didn't like to think of her worrying,
I al also totally certain she would never have cut us off while at uni, or when we were paying house deposit for her,

I accept there may be some cases that are not financial

nina1959 Sat 08-Apr-17 08:14:13

Yogagirl, thankyou! Missed your post. x

Rubylady, meant to add - yes, I'm sure jealousy is part of the issue. My daughter told me that I'd been a really good mum but she wanted her child all to herself and this I believe is the reason for the complete cut off.
She's only thinking of herself and it is a selfish way to act but I've had to learn to just let her go and keep the flame of hope alive for the grandchild. That's all I can do. Meanwhile life has to go on and I am living my life. x

nina1959 Sat 08-Apr-17 07:19:20

Glad you've found the thread Rubylady! I know what you mean. Estrangement grieving is a lot like the emotions we feel during bereavement except no one died, we just got dumped or cut off. Someone threw a massive tantrum and they did the maximum damage they could by making us feel as though we don't exist. It's awful isn't it? And yes, it does feel as if we've no place to go and no one is going to miss us. I know.

These feelings are temporary as long as we are willing to work through them and reach that point where we find a new determination to reach out to life again. It sounds as though that's where you're at now so well done on getting this far.
Online support groups are good upto a point but you are correct, depending on where you're at in the recovery stage, they can drag you back down into a pit of despair again. What's needed is ongoing support that lifts us up instead of rehashing all the why's and wherefore's. As we all know, there are no reasons. It's just what it is. Rude, selfish and an aggressive way to treat a family member.

I did hear a happy ending yesterday. A friend has welcomed her grandchild back into her life after 12 years of no contact. The DIL had cut her side of the family off. The reunion was joyful and the grandchild has now moved in with the grandparents and isn't speaking to the DIL so what goes around comes around.
It was said that it was never the DIL's right to make this decision for the grandchild so she's going to have a long time to think about it all now.
A good outcome though so hope is never lost as far as the grandchildren are concerned. As for the AC? Well, I don't have an answer. We still love them but would we ever trust them again? Probably not.
So don't grieve over what's gone. Just keep reaching towards a new start and keep looking forwards. N xxx

rubylady Sat 08-Apr-17 02:18:21

Well done nina1959 for a wonderful thread.

I have avoided visiting on here for a while because I was looking to heal from the estrangement of my daughter and her children and every time I came on, there were threads of stories of hurt and pain going on with other grandparents. It was not helping me to heal and so I have took a break.

I agree that we have to rise from these situations, however hard that may be and learn to live again and I can only thank you because it is hard to do this alone, so it was lovely to read your OP and I gain strength from it.

I have banged my head against a brick wall for nearly three years now, trying to figure it all out but got nowhere. Now I don't want to, as I could never trust my ED again.

My son has just landed tonight for the Easter holidays and has given me my Mother's Day presents. One was a heart with Mum on and the saying "Everything I am, you helped me to be". I cried. It means the world to me that he thinks that I have had such an imput into his life. So I must have done something right, eh?

The thing is that my grandchildren will not know me or of me. My son says he is having no children so where do I end? When I go? No one will remember I have even existed. That is the sad thing. I think of my grandparents with fondness and remember their words of kindness and wouldn't have liked to have been without them.

Is it just a jealousy thing? Keeping their own children to themselves, not wanting anyone else to get close because if it is, then it really is not doing the children any favours at all. It's very wierd but in my case, it has somewhat been got over and I am moving on. I have a lovely new male friend in my life and am finding happiness again regardless of my health or what life has thrown at me up to now. I am lucky, I am loved and I am a survivor. Love to you all. Xxx

nina1959 Fri 07-Apr-17 18:54:22

I just want to wish you all a good weekend. I know some people find Sundays a long day so it's important to have a plan or something arranged that we can look forward to.
The lighter evenings are helpful. At least w can all get out and see life going on beyond our four walls.
It's almost bluebell season and near where I live the woodlands are a carpet of blue. I've enjoyed this so many times that this has now gone on my 'looking forward' list. I keep a notebook of all the things to look forward to as the year progresses and keep adding to it. This has been one way of dragging myself into the new life that slowly unfolds once you start seeing the glimmer of light at the end of the dark tunnel of being estranged.
It is there, you can't miss it. It will happen.
Thinking of you all. Hope you all have a nice weekend. xxx

Madgran77 Fri 07-Apr-17 14:38:37

Starlady very true!

Smileless2012 Fri 07-Apr-17 14:27:13

Thank you all for your kind commentssmile. I know that like me, every estranged parent on these threads will be hoping and praying that you manage to keep hold of your relationship Madgran. It can't be easy for you but sounds as if you're doing a great job do far.

Coolnanaflowers every time I see a post for the first time from someone living with estrangement it breaks my heart; truly it does. We all know the extent of your pain and anguish, there are no words to describe it.

We are all at different stages in how long our estrangements have been going on and how we're coping but all of us remember and will never forget those first traumatic months.

You spend every waking moment, going back years, going over and over again everything you said or did, looking for something, anything that can explain why you've been cut out. You remember disagreements but even they don't explain their behaviour. You know you were never abusive, you know you did everything that you could to be the best parent you could be; that's why you feel as if your going mad. You, as we have all done, are trying to apply logic to an illogical situation.

Although it never goes away, the pain does ease with time and everyone here will do whatever we can to help and support you.

Starlady Fri 07-Apr-17 12:14:15

Oops! Sorry, I meant Coolnana, not Coolgran!

Thanks Luckylegs and you're welcome Nina!

nina1959 Fri 07-Apr-17 07:52:08

On this thread, link below, on the last page, I've explained how to open your own Facebook friends/support group if you know each other want to connect in a more private way. Another member asked for help so she could start a meet up group.
This kind of proactive friends group really helps to get anyone on their own back into a new start where they can meet other like minds and not think about their family situation so much.

www.gransnet.com/forums/relationships/1235743-Moving-forward