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How To Heal From Estrangement

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Luckylegs9 Mon 03-Apr-17 07:15:42

What a good post Nina, I found after going through all the stages of confusion, self blame and the lonliness of exclusion, a big sense of guilt that somehow I had caused this, if I had done this or that it would not have happened, it came just after my husband dying and the grief was unbearable. I felt a failure and thought other would see that in me. It has taken a very long time to realise there was nothing I could have done, there was a desire to exclude me for whatever reason. I have come through it, although that loss will always be a part of me it doesn't define me. To cut a loving person out of your life is cruel and I could never justify the action. If a parent has been abusive in any way and is a threat that is different. I had to realise that I was the same person as I had been before, to get new interests, concentrate on the other people in my life that were caring and supportive. I was not a failure, it didn't lie with me. I have been lucky enough to find support on Gransnet from others going through this, it has meant such a lot, because at times you feel do lie, you think the unthinkable and you need to get through those feelings. It is very difficult to imagine if you haven't had experience of it, I had never even thought of it until it happened, so how is anyone supposes to cope initially. With time and support there is another, different life, that in happy and meaningful, helped along by those in a similar situation.

nina1959 Sun 02-Apr-17 07:52:29

Rosyglow, sorry to hear about your husband. The loss must make the estrangement so much harder to bear.
All we can do is try and keep functioning but I know finding the motivation can be very hard.
It's very important not to stand still for too long I find. Keeping busy is what keeps the worst of the dark thoughts away.
I understand you completely when you say there is a little person of your blood growing up in this world but it will take a miracle for them to be a part of your world.
I do understand how this feels.

I don't have an answer. I only have coping mechanisms. I have found that being a part of something going on in my own back yard helps kill off the melancholy and that's where I'll be today.

Eventually I hope the law changes re grandchildren and grandparents. One of my friends is an ex head of child protection and she admits that grandparents are one of the worst resource losses ever. Let's just carry on hoping that something changes that allows these children the connection back to their heritage, family and roots one day. x

Rosyglow8 Sat 01-Apr-17 23:32:26

Thanks nina. Sadly I have had to face the loss of my precious husband, so I can say, for me anyway, estrangement is actually nothing like bereavement. With bereavement, despite how you are left feeling, the beloved person has gone...its over. And if you have been fortunate enough, as I was, to have been with the love of your life, in time all the precious memories take over, and you find a tenuous happiness again. Being estranged however, especially from a child, is ongoing. Knowing that there is a little person of your blood in the world, developing and changing daily, but that unless a miracle happens, you are never going to have the wonderful relationship with them that you dreamed of.

By the way, I think you misread my first post nina in that whilst I do have a close relationship with my son, my daughter-in-law has not allowed me to see my granddaughter for three years. C'est la vie.x.

nina1959 Sat 01-Apr-17 21:35:25

Thanks Madgran. x

Rosyglow, how awful for you. I'm glad your son is still keeping you in the picture. You'd think if your DIL loved him, she would see the pain that's being caused all round. It's hard to understand.
I think it's important not to rely too much on family relationships as much as we may once have hoped we could.
Instead, it's helpful and sustaining to focus our time and thoughts on being independent and connected to other things.
This year, I've randomly picked to learn all about the history of Cornwall starting with the Lost Gardens of Heligan. Last year it was Oxford. It filled my time no end and I made a lot of new friends.
As long as we're thinking forwards, it will help to keep us out of the pain. It doesn't really go, it's no different to a bereavement because it's about loss. But the pain does weaken and fade as long as we have something else to think about.
I'm glad you're able to see your son and your grandaughter. I hope things improve for you x

Rosyglow8 Sat 01-Apr-17 18:28:30

As most of you know, I'm not estranged from my son....thank the Lord. However, knowing I have the most beautiful four year old granddaughter, who hasn't a clue who I am, is just as heartbreaking. I can't get past the unkindness of it all. I choose that word carefully as that's how I truly feel. Sometimes unkindness is worse than absolute out and out cruelty, especially when I know that I was always very kind and loving to my daughter-in-law. Something she acknowledged many times prior to her cutting me off, after the little one arrived. When I was in hospital for over three months with sepsis, then spinal surgery, unable to walk, I see now that the writing was already on the wall, only I was too ill to realise it. She never once came with my son to visit, or sent any message or even a little get well card. Hence the word unkind.

I am truly proud of my son for refusing to allow his wife to come between us, and I have spent many hours assuring him that he is not being weak when he's attacked and then caves in, just for wanting to bring his daughter to see me. I know he still feels tremendous guilt, and truthfully, I don't know where it will all end for them. For now, I have backed right off in the hope that things may improve. Whatever the outcome, I feel lucky that my son loves and respects me, and isn't afraid to show it.

I have written a brief letter for my granddaughter, and left it with my will. No judgements or criticisms, just an outpouring of my love for her....and her daddy, and a sincere wish that she has a wonderful life.

Madgran77 Sat 01-Apr-17 17:55:12

Nina A good idea to start this thread! Your post is fascinating ...you clearly have so much knowledge as well as personal experience, and I admire your "recovery" approach. I am not estranged but within my circumstances with my DIL, never say never! I can only hope that the endless effort I put in pays off!

nina1959 Sat 01-Apr-17 17:26:06

That all sounds positive NS. We're all stronger together and like you, I find it hard to know others are suffering. It's good to support each other. xxx

NorthernSoul Sat 01-Apr-17 17:19:23

Thanks for this,Nina.
Like most of us that find our selves in this awful situation I have days when I cope better than others.
I try to be upbeat and get on with living,then suddenly you feel really down.

Often I do something positive and look at the beauty of life in all it's many ways.

Learning some thing new or meeting with friends for a chat and a giggle.

Today you gave me a pep talk on the other thread and that helped enormously.
It takes one to have a shared experience to understand the emotional journey.

I too don't put myself out on social sites,but need to share and help others to get stronger.
NSx

ninathenana Sat 01-Apr-17 17:06:01

There is already a support thread which has been running a while for those of us who know the pain of estrangement nina1959
I'm not saying you shouldn't start one. Just that you may like to take a look.

nina1959 Sat 01-Apr-17 16:46:10

I thought I'd start this new thread because unfortunately, estrangement is now such a huge part of family life today. I've written articles, I've run groups for bereft parents and I've researched the topic for 5 years.
What I found was that none of us are immune. It can happen to any family and if anyone thought it only happens in families where there has been a history of divorce or abuse, in which case, cutting contact may well be justified, my findings were that estrangement was and is occurring in the most stable nuclear families too.
What's causing it?

There are various reasons but one common thread appears to be that there is usually a third party trying to control the relationship. Money and the unreal expectations on parents today to keep giving were also a common reason.
If you speak to teachers, many will say that today's generation of 30 somethings, had a high level of entitlement along with high level of expectation.
Consequently when reality fails to measure up, they either get very angry or very frustrated and these feelings are often unleashed on the parents with the removal of grandchildren and total cut off.
There are other reasons too but with the exception of a history of abuse, I could find no reason that warranted the total cutting off of a loving parent.
The suffering, pain, loneliness and bereftness inflicted upon these parents has led some of them to be suicidal. I do a voluntary role where I'm in touch with some of them to keep them from harming themselves at times such as Christmas and birthdays.
Read any forum where an AC has posted looking for advice and the popular reply is 'cut them off'! You don't need that c**p in your life'.
How do complete strangers advise another person to end their relationship with their parents?
In this sense, social media is playing it's part in the destruction of family relationships and persecution of the parents.

When we've done all we can to make amends, how do we recover? It's very hard and the challenge is not to become bitter or depressed.
I know these are the main symptoms but it's these we have to overcome.

I believe the parents are mostly not to blame. Estrangement is a current trend born out of a hidden societal sickness today. If we look at the main influences, we can see there's not a lot of caring or giving being shared around. Even the media would rather glorify celebrity lives than post real stories about real and more serious news items.

When I first began researching there was nothing out there online apart from a brick wall of silence and shame. I started my group and a deluge of parents poured out their stories. It grew and kept on growing and now there are many groups and forums all with parents reporting the same issue of being cut off.

With some stories, it was clear that nothing could fix the rift. Begging, pleading, apologising all fell on deaf ears and so parents were enduring years of being snubbed, ignored, left out and treated as though they didn't exist. It was bad enough for two parents but for those parents living on their own, their daily lives were a living nightmare of endless grief.

And so I wrote articles pointing out this evil spreading through our families like a wildfire. Even psychologists now agree there is a problem. This makes a welcome change from blaming the parents. We can't all be that bad that we can all be this wrong. Something else is happening.

And so the main advice was that this trend is going to take a generation to fix, if indeed it can be fixed and that all we can do is to start nurturing and taking care of each other.
And so that's what we did. Myself and others formed a small group and we supported each other through our bleakest of days.
This was the start of picking up the threads of our lives and rebuilding a new start for us.
It was hard at first but with each others support, we all began to move slowly forwards together.
And so I am here to tell you now that there is life after estrangement and that there is light, laughter and grace too.
I'll stop this post here for now because I've got a cup of tea waiting but I hope we can start a thread based on helping each other start moving forwards.