Continued support and fun aspects too of rebuilding lives after estrangement can't believe 4 years and we still here to offer help, friendship and support.TWO

Glad to hear celeb is home and supported by her DH and DS.

Give her our love please Smileless

Smileless, glad Celeb home. Good news indeed.

Rhinestone, I don't think Trump can go to war on his say so, doesn't he need the Senate behind him? He cuts a ridiculous figure, who would have believed it. My friends in the States, very clever people, love him, it I leaves me baffled. Wish I had the answer to the fix you are in regarding visitation, but I would hold back. X

MaddyForgot to say WELCOME. I have been on this thread for over two years and even though I'm a Yankee... I am supported by these lovely people. Stay with us.

I expect that now the general anaesthetic has worn off Celebgran would not feeling as good as the first few hours when she woke, even with being home.

I wouldn't contact her mumRhinestone because it could be very awkward for her, she's been cut out before. Also, I have no desire anymore to find out why we've been CO. We've heard the lies and as there's no truthful explanation that could possibly justify what they've done so I'm just not interested.

You've had clarification for your own estrangement which I hope that helps. It's pretty obvious from what your DS has told you that the estrangement is not your's or your DH's fault; no surprises there.

Let's just hope that Trump and that horrible little man are posturing and will make do with that. I think we're all rather anxious at the moment but of course it's worse for you.

Morning ladies, yes that's right ladies. I must confess to having been more than a little anxious by the time I went to bed last night. I'd texted Celeb but go no reply, texted
Mr. C., got no reply so eventually 'phoned Celeb but she didn't pick up so I left a message.

Panic over as I've had a text and wasto read that she's back home; already!! In a lot of pain bless her but being well looked after by Mr. C. and her DS who stayed over last night.

That was a good idea Yogagirl if Maddy tells the name of her thread we can find out some more information from that if she wants us too.

Hope you do pop on here again Maddy.

Have a good day everyone. It's a lovely morning here; we have.

SmilelessHave you heard anymore from Celeb? Just wondering if she is able to manage the pain. I know this may sound stupid but have you considered talking to EDIL's mom ? Or would that be too awkward?
We have thought of talking to my DH's X to find out what's going on.

Yesterday I went to see my DS who saw our ESS a few weeks ago. He told me to not go to court to ask for visitation. He said my ESS is having problems with his wife. She wants him to stop drinking and smoking so much pot even thought he takes it for medical reasons.
My DS says it's not about us doing anything that caused the estrangement. It's that they are dysfunctional and he would be surprised if their marriage lasted five more years. He also said they felt we had expectations of them.
My answer to that is they had expectations of us. Who doesn't have expectations? Our boss expects us to follow certain procedures. Our friends expect certain loyalties from us , our parents expected certain behaviors etc. He also said that after my EDIL said " her boys deserve a better grandfather" we called them out on their errogance and entitlement and they knew we were right... thus the estrangement. Anyways that's his take on this whole thing.
My head is spinning from all this estrangement and adding to it to the threat of us going to war. We are all scared over here.

Luckylegs I second your posts of: 10 Aug 5.52

Smileless I'm the same with the typos, post and then think "Dah!" So I think best to just ignore as we all know what the poster means & correct the typo ourselves as we read, so no big deal.

Maddyone So very sorry for your plight, stay with us and we will try to help you through this sad time. Has a partner come into the mix with your D? With mine, it's her nasty husband & his mother that has kept us apart, they wanted, and got, only themselves in my D&GC's lives.
If I had realized that before, I would have kept right away from him & his family, but still being friendly, from the outside, in that way maybe keeping in my beloveds lives, too late now!
Maddy was it a thread on this forum you first posted on? If so, if you give us the title, we could take a look at your story so you wouldn't have to repeat it here. Have you other C, GC?
I know how hard it is in the beginning, but it is actually a critical time where there is a possibility of reconnecting, so I wouldn't leave it, if your husband doesn't want to try, then I think you should. Maybe flowers & say sorry for the upset, even if you've done no wrong.
I really do wish you all the best and let us know how it goes. God Bless

My above post refers to Buggs of course, with her obnoxious terminologies.

Morning ladies and thank you for your supportive posts yet to read page 32, but how strange that I now feel a sense of protectiveness to Norah and Madmum as I mean them no ill will.

Sorry Maddyone, last response to Busgy, these odd people pop up from time to time, she is not representative of any on here, must be a bit off putting for you, but bear with us. In time you will get better at dealing with the situation. Going out and meeting people, being needed by others, keeps you busy and in time it eases. For you as I said, it's new, things can and do alter, hope very much it does.

Bugsy, what a warped post, completely inaccurate as yours are, , you sound the one with problems, someone not estranged, looking through a post fir those that are, then giving your pearls of wisdom on a subject you profess to know nothing about. It is not Yogagirl that is the troll as you put it. Simple answer for you, do not look on here or comment.i should feel sorry for you but I don't, you obviously have your own demons to vent, but I could never have spoken to people hurting as you have, your comments say more about you than anyone on here. You will pop up under a different name soon, keeps you busy.

Don't worry about the typos maddyone we all make them.
I always read through my posts before I post and then hey presto, as soon as it appears on the thread, I see a typo I've missed.

Maddyone welcome, no need to explain. Most of us on here have been that overwhelmed and sad.

You may have come to the right place. [Flowers]

Afternoon ladies!!

Thank you fairydoll

I should have previewed, loads of typos!

Maddyone

Please ignore the adverse comments from one particular poster who appears on here from time to time.

Please post here and don't worry. Nasty comments sometimes appear from people who are simply unable to show any compassion or empathy for the situation some posters here find themselves in. I am only estranged from my sons partner but have enough life experience to at least understand, if not totally comprehend, the pain of estranged parents/grandparents .

When you are ready, please come back.

to say much more.....

eddie northernsoul smileless and luckylegs, thank you for your welcome and mind words. I don't feel able to day much more at the moment, but your kind words made me cry again, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate them, I most certainly do. At the moment if I could close my eyes and never wake up I would be happy, but that isn't going to happen, so I have to face tomorrow. Yes, we have had so many difficulties with out daughter, and so many pauses in our relationship, but my DH and I have always made contact after a week or two (when the dust has settled) and tried to build bridges again. It works for a bit till the next time. Today DH has said he's not doing it agai again, he's had enough. Will be change his mind? I don't know, but thanks to all you ladies who are so kind.

luckylegs I quote 'still do not understand how anyone can have 4 daughters all with husbands not on speaking terms with their families'

This quote for me sums up you ladies completely- most people that aren't estranged cannot understand how you have become estranged from your families, some of you 1 but some of you more then 1 child & almost all of you claim to not know what the problem was. yet if I was to post that I 'still do not understand how this could possibly happen to you lot then you would all shoot me down..

Yet it's perfectly reasonable for you to say this about Noras situation...? double standards girls. most of you seem unable to accept anybody's viewpoints but your own narrow minded views.

Yoga girl has been troll hunting & the admin here have confirmed as much.. but I suppose you lot will deny that too... I know she's been troll hunting as she's accused me of being an estranged child several times & I've read other posts of hers stating that too - seemingly anybody that doesn't agree with her. And her posts are also just plane nasty at times.

I'll read the other posts soon as I have time but honestly this thread often seathes with hostility.

To put the record straight. I have questioned Norah's motives and still do not understand how anyone can have 4 daughters all with husbands not on speaking terms with their families, so just how Norah can have any insight into our feelings I don't know, she should be more concerned with her own Sons in law and the impact it must have on her grandchildren. If there are those that values her input so be it, I don't, but won't comment anymore on the subject.
Welcome Maddyone, sorry that you are in this sorry position, if nothing else you will find people that understand your situation and support you, how I wish I could help you, know that feeling of crying as if your heart could break and that feeling of despair and helplessness. Things could change for you, lots of families have fall outs that are resolved and dont end up estranged,I hope you are one ifvtgeclucky ones.

My apologies ladies, I should have posted that I would ignore any future antagonistic posts from bugsy; it's not my place to speak for all of you.