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How do I get DH to do his share? Long post, sorry!

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Sharon123 Mon 02-Oct-17 10:47:29

My DH and I have been married for 30 years and have 3 adult children. Having 3 children made it difficult for me to go back to work from a financial point of view, so I was a stay at home mum. As well as being mum, I took over everything in the house - from cooking, cleaning, washing/ironing, all shopping and paying bills, sorting out all his bills and tasks as well as my own.

For the last 25 years he has lived a life where he goes to work, comes home, and his time is his own, whereas I would be running round after the children, cooking dinner, cleaning/tidying up afterwards until children were in bed and I got to sit down for an hour or two until bedtime. As they got older it got a little easier, but still I do everything.

His responsibilities are going to work and mowing the lawn occasionally (and he regularly suggests that I should do the lawn!). That's it. I plan holidays, sort birthday/xmas presents (his family as well as mine), every little thing in our lives, big and small.

Because I didn't go to work, I accepted the burden - it was a trade off for having an easy life as a stay at home mum and housewife and not having the pressure of going to work. (Yes, I believed that for many years I got the easier job. I'm only waking up to reality now!)

Last year my youngest left home, and I wanted to get back in to work. I took a 3 month long temporary job, but found that I was having to do housework/shopping before work, and even though I worked longer hours, I would come home to him sitting watching the TV with nothing done around the house - not even a coffee made for me, or the dishwasher emptied. I tried talking to him about it, but his argument was always that these jobs don't take long so I should stop complaining, his job is very stressful, he needs to rest, I'm better at doing them anyway, blah blah blah.

I quickly realised that me going out to work wasn't going to be easy, that although he wanted me to work (to suffer like he has to, rather than have an easy life at home), and he wants me to earn money, he had no intention of sharing the burdens of running a house, and the planning and preparation for everything.

My temp job finished, and I would like to look for another - but I can't if I still have to do everything. The problem is he is so used to his life of ease that he doesn't see why it should be different. Even when we both got back home from work, he saw nothing wrong with the fact that he sat watching TV or reading a book, while I cleaned/tidied/ironed while cooking dinner, and that I caught up with paperwork at the weekend while he got up late and then expected me to make him breakfast.

I know, I know: I've been my own worst enemy, letting him get away with doing nothing all these years. But he gets verbally aggressive, so I have always been the one to back down and apologise and over the years have learned to just get on with doing it all. I've gone for an easy life, rather than confronting him so he's used to getting his own way all the time.

How do I gradually ease him into taking his share of the responsibilities? I've tried sitting down and discussing it with him - his answer is that he is stressed at work and needs downtime, that the jobs don't take long anyway, that I am making a fuss over nothing. I get verbally battered every time I dare to mention or ask that he helps me.

I can't live like this. I gave the first part of my adult life to my children, but I feel that I am still mothering him, and it will continue until the day I die.

Has anyone else had the same problem and have any suggestions on how to nudge him into doing more - even just taking on his own responsibilities like sorting his car insurance/remembering important dates and taking action (car mot, his families birthdays, medical appts etc), putting his clothes away after they have been washed and ironed for him- just doing these would be a major improvement - all these things take chunks of my time, and I'm fed up with every responsibility falling on me.

As a brief example: his car insurance is due for renewal in a week's time. I mentioned it to him, and his response was - nothing. He just expects it to be done for him. He won't ask if it's done a day or so before, he won't go online and check for a good price - and if I ask him to, his response will be an irritated "well you can do it, you have nothing else to do, I'm at work all day, you're sitting at home" etc. If I don't do it, he will be uninsured. It's not something that I can just leave.

I'm trying to avoid the verbal abuse I will receive if I ask or vaguely even suggest he does things, and I know he has me on a giant guilt trip ("it's okay for you, you never worked, you don't work, I've had to go out to work every day, you haven't had a stressful day, you have more time than me" etc).

We're both in our late 50's and I want to do something for me for a change, and feel that I have been something other than a just a housewife/stay at home mum. I'm capable of more, and I only have a few years left in which to achieve it (I'm talking about retirement here, not death wink )

Sorry for the long rant!!

willa45 Wed 04-Oct-17 01:19:33

A few observations:

I sensed the adversarial divide between women (professional or not) who work outside their homes and the SAHM's. It seems that both sides view the other as somehow being the lesser, or somehow having the advantage. Neither of those statements are true.

All work has value, monetary or otherwise, whether it's raising a family or helping a company's bottom line. As many of you pointed out, an equal partnership in marriage means sharing fairly and equitably.

Deliberate or not, many of the posts had shades of shame, blame and 'guilting', lurking between the lines. Some of you still seem to believe that it's a woman's duty to be subservient to her husband and to take care of his every need. Many of you even suggested short cuts (ready frozen dinners or ordering 'take out') just as long as he still gets his three meals without ever having to break a sweat.... effectively enabling more of the same demanding behaviors.
Archaic attitudes such as these, perpetuate the very same kind of misogynistic male culture that has destroyed marriages and/or women's careers in the first place.

A 'freeloader' is never a good partner and neither is a bully. In a true, loving, respectful partnership no one should have a subservient role.

Bambam Wed 04-Oct-17 00:38:03

Making a list would be a good idea. Two columns: reasons to stay with him and reasons to leave.
He sounds a right misery and I doubt that you love him or are even happy with him.
Why waste the rest of your life with him, you've raised your family.
Get a solicitor and start living your life. Like you said, you havn't that much time. Why waste it living with him?

Bluebell123 Tue 03-Oct-17 20:33:33

Great. All the wonderful advice on here has initiated your plan to
1.Hand over some work to your husband. 2. To be assertive.
BUT there also needs to be a conversation between you two. Very understandably you are reluctant to discuss your feelings of resentment with him. ( He probably doesn't have clue how you really feel or that his marriage is in jeopardy). Therefore I think you need to go to Relate counselling together.
Personally, I would have a time frame in mind too. e g If in 6 months time things are not resolved to your satisfaction initiate Plan B.
Plan B requires serious thought as to how you want to live the rest of your life.
You've made a good start. Decide on your goal and go for it.

carol58 Tue 03-Oct-17 20:19:35

I worked full time whilst my kids were at school & college. When they left home I left my stressful job & started my own small business because we still needed my income. I've always done all the things the OP lists ( no help at all, whether I asked or not!) and often felt under pressure and unappreciated but am now in a position where I'm independently financially OK. My life has begun....I go away on holidays , have outings etc. with girlfriends and leave the OH to look after himself. Yes the house is a mess when I get back, bills unpaid & paperwork left unattended but I can cope better knowing that I can escape again soon. I suggest the OP gets her finances in order & does the same because her hubby is not going to change!

holdingontometeeth Tue 03-Oct-17 20:09:07

He wont change. He is a bully as has been said many times.
He knows you will back down as you always have.
You say what a great guy he is in other ways in later posts,
which goes to show his utter dominance.
He is a great guy as long as things are going his way.
The Shirley Valentine suggestion, although popular, and which I endorse, may not be practical as you would need a lot of self confidence to go through with it.
He will call your bluff.
Time for you to get a cleaner, cook and wash and make a social life for yourself.
He may well decide to change his behaviour, but that is something I cant see happening.
I am glad to be male. I could never have coped with raising children and looking after a home. A lot of references are made of SAHM's, well, in my opinion that is far harder than any paid job.
Good luck in whichever path your life takes you.

Maggieanne Tue 03-Oct-17 20:01:54

Strangely enough, this morning I was trying to count how many little jobs I did when I got up and through to breakfast. I gave up counting and all this while my husband just did his breakfast and then sat down! Don't get me wrong, he's a great help, cooking meals and many other jobs, but it's the little things that we do, without thinking that take up so much time and this goes on till bedtime! Try doing your own count, you'll be amazed just how much you do.

lionpops Tue 03-Oct-17 19:31:27

It's great that you have taken the first step towards taking responsibility for some of the finances. Next give him a list of his family with ages and their likes and tell him to Xmas shop for them. Stay strong .

wendione Tue 03-Oct-17 18:49:51

Oh my goodness. I dissolved my marriage after 27 years, because my ex was just the same. I was second best in every way. His family dominated our every move too. He got up, went to work, came home, had his tea on a tray, read the paper, watched TV and then went to bed! I was "old school" stay at home Mum for many years and when I went back to work and eventually had the chance to take a qualification to become a Business Manager, he was so unsupportive. I never realised he was a control freak until I was free of him but like you I take responsibility for allowing him to be like that but he had a nasty temper and would turn on me quite often. My advice would be, if you are unhappy, leave him but if you can tolerate his behaviour, stay. It isnt easy on your own but its better than being unhappy. He will never change whilst you are together but he sure as heck would if he was with another woman - my ex cooks, does housework and all sorts of stuff he wouldn't do for me. Why because he married someone else who won't put up with his ways. Don't know if this helps but felt compelled to comment.

AmMaz Tue 03-Oct-17 18:48:22

Sharon123, you need to be prepared to have your husband suffer consequences if he doesn't step up.

For example, if he doesn't sort the car insurance he gets done for it if caught...he wears crumpled clothes if he doesn't iron, or whatever.
- You decide what you will and wont do, tell him, and stick to it.

At first I wondered if your post was for real, I so can't relate to it.

dogsmother Tue 03-Oct-17 18:32:48

I feel for both sides a bit, and agree with writing the list of chores required to show him just what is required.
Getting in a cleaner, would be brilliant along with either takeaways or occasional meals out.
No offspring at home, make the most of it. But also he really may not quite completely comprehend how much is involved in running a home.

Hm999 Tue 03-Oct-17 18:12:48

You have taken the first step, the hardest step - you have identified the problem and sought advice. Good luck with step 2.

PS If he thought staying at home was a cushy option
a. He should have said so then
b. He can stay at home and do everything you did (shopping, cooking, cleaning etc), and you look for a full time job, with your evenings free.

luluaugust Tue 03-Oct-17 18:04:26

It sounds like a part time job would suit you best and then cut back on the housework or get help and lots of takeaways and ready meals for a while see if it is noticed, he won't change but you can if you want just don't discuss it.

CardiffJaguar Tue 03-Oct-17 18:04:14

You need a new job that takes you away from home for a (short) period. While you are away he will be brought up short realising just what needs to be done and how long it takes. When you get back will be the time to come to a new arrangement but if he still resists then say that you have been asked to go away for a longer period. That should bring matters to a head.

nigglynellie Tue 03-Oct-17 17:56:13

Can't you do the car insurance as a standing order each month? At least it wouldn't be an issue any more!!! The bulk of grocery shopping could be done on line, ready made food in whatever guise is a godsend, and a cleaning lady, and a gardener if you can find one!! I'm afraid your DH isn't changing any time soon, so it might be easier all round to organise things the way you want them without particularly discussing it.?!!

Jaycee5 Tue 03-Oct-17 17:40:51

I agree that Paddyann does have a point. He has been keeping the entire family financially and I don't really think doing the housework really compares once the children are at least out of primary school with the pressures of many jobs. It is not really surprising that he doesn't want to start sharing the work now but does he really have to go? Get a cleaner and order takeaways sometimes. Neither seem to see the others point of view. Is he a bully or does he just feel a bit aggrieved which may or may not be justified.

Sharon123 Tue 03-Oct-17 17:24:43

lionpops - thank you for your concern, but it isn't the sort of verbal abuse that would turn into physical abuse - more likely he would sulk, be moody, ignore me, and try to make me give up and do what he wants - those are the sort of tactics he uses. But I appreciate your concern, and can see that it might be the case in some relationships.

I sorted out the car insurance because of the consequences of leaving it up to him on short notice (not just for him, but for us and anyone else who might be involved in an accident), put his email address down for the renewal and told him that he would have to do it himself next year. His first reaction? "Well, if I have to do that, then you can go out to work".

I told him that was the plan, that I was looking for a permanent job. He was moody for hours after that, but I just ignored it. He's fine again today. He probably doesn't think I'm seriously looking for a job, or thinks I will still do both! We will see. I think that I need to ignore his moods and verbal abuse - I give in far too easily.

lionpops Tue 03-Oct-17 17:00:30

I am horrified at some of the comments on here that virtually say get over yourself. Marriage is a partnership and you should share tasks where possible when work commitments permit. It is the verbal and aggressive abuse that concerns me most. I get the feeling you give in as you are afraid it will turn to physical abuse and if this is so then you need to question whether you want to remain in this sort of relationship. There are many marriages where the home and finances are run by one partner and if that works for them fine. This is not working for you so I suggest you take advice. Woman's Aid run a hotline and you could discuss your situation with them as you will be able to tell them the full picture. Take good Care.
www.nationaldomesticviolencehelpline.org.uk/

Grandma70s Tue 03-Oct-17 16:49:23

Funnygran, I recognise so much of what you say. Being a full-time mother is actually a great deal more interesting (and harder work) than many paid jobs, but it isn’t seen that way. People are obsessed with earning money, even if they don’t really need it.

It’s odd that being a nanny or childminder (paid) is seen as a job, but doing exactly the same work as a parent (unpaid) doesn’t count as a job!

Djb123 Tue 03-Oct-17 16:46:13

Oh I do want an answer to this one !! Been bashing my head against the wall for years - I think it’s genetic and men of a certain age will never change their ways unfortunately

Funnygran Tue 03-Oct-17 16:33:20

I stayed at home until my youngest was 13 for much the same reasons of lots of other GNer's. Husband worked long hours and was often away but the upside was that he had a reasonable salary. But before we had children I worked long hours to keep us while he went to university. We didn't have parents nearby to help out and mine were older anyway. By the time I started to think about work, I needed to visit them regularly which was a full day at a time. So I did all cooking, cleaning, shopping etc and most of the taxi service to various kids activities. DH did all the DIY which I am hopeless at and sorted out a lot of the finances since he worked for a bank. As for people's perception of the stay at home mum not working, it was some of his ambitious female colleagues who were the worst. At any social gathering I would be asked what I did and when I replied that I wasn't in paid employment I could see from the reaction that basically it wasn't worth continuing the conversation since I wouldn't have anything interesting to contribute!

Madgran77 Tue 03-Oct-17 16:32:01

I'm amazed at all the comments about SAHMs ...and the OPs choice on that (which she has since explained!) Also on her being responsible for creating this situation!! Clearly from her OP she realises that carrying so much and letting him get away with it has done her no favours, she hardly needs to be told that now when she's explained her situation now and wants advice. Ditto, if she had been a full time SAHM as opposed to part time home based work!! Criticising her previous choices doesn't help her with the situation she is now acknowledging!!
I'm glad to see that because of the many constructive suggestions, she has come up with a plan for herself...good luck OP. Let us know how you get on

strawberrinan Tue 03-Oct-17 16:21:41

I literally adore being single. I do all these jobs and work without resenting a useless lump.

Serkeen Tue 03-Oct-17 16:14:52

pss if u were not willing to b a stay at home mum it would have cost a fortune having to pay a nanny.

Serkeen Tue 03-Oct-17 16:13:51

PS Being a stay at home Mum is a precious full time job 24 hrs round the clock with no tea breaks as such, so u did your bit.. remember they are his children too.

Serkeen Tue 03-Oct-17 16:11:36

GET A CLEANER smile as u r both working u can afford it.

Any left over work that needs to be done should be SHARED between u n DH if he doesn't play ball do not wash his clothes or cook his diner, I mean to say can not believe his only job at home was to maw the lawn and he asked u to do it!! Put ur foot down girl and stop being the slave that you are NOT