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How do I get DH to do his share? Long post, sorry!

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Sharon123 Mon 02-Oct-17 10:47:29

My DH and I have been married for 30 years and have 3 adult children. Having 3 children made it difficult for me to go back to work from a financial point of view, so I was a stay at home mum. As well as being mum, I took over everything in the house - from cooking, cleaning, washing/ironing, all shopping and paying bills, sorting out all his bills and tasks as well as my own.

For the last 25 years he has lived a life where he goes to work, comes home, and his time is his own, whereas I would be running round after the children, cooking dinner, cleaning/tidying up afterwards until children were in bed and I got to sit down for an hour or two until bedtime. As they got older it got a little easier, but still I do everything.

His responsibilities are going to work and mowing the lawn occasionally (and he regularly suggests that I should do the lawn!). That's it. I plan holidays, sort birthday/xmas presents (his family as well as mine), every little thing in our lives, big and small.

Because I didn't go to work, I accepted the burden - it was a trade off for having an easy life as a stay at home mum and housewife and not having the pressure of going to work. (Yes, I believed that for many years I got the easier job. I'm only waking up to reality now!)

Last year my youngest left home, and I wanted to get back in to work. I took a 3 month long temporary job, but found that I was having to do housework/shopping before work, and even though I worked longer hours, I would come home to him sitting watching the TV with nothing done around the house - not even a coffee made for me, or the dishwasher emptied. I tried talking to him about it, but his argument was always that these jobs don't take long so I should stop complaining, his job is very stressful, he needs to rest, I'm better at doing them anyway, blah blah blah.

I quickly realised that me going out to work wasn't going to be easy, that although he wanted me to work (to suffer like he has to, rather than have an easy life at home), and he wants me to earn money, he had no intention of sharing the burdens of running a house, and the planning and preparation for everything.

My temp job finished, and I would like to look for another - but I can't if I still have to do everything. The problem is he is so used to his life of ease that he doesn't see why it should be different. Even when we both got back home from work, he saw nothing wrong with the fact that he sat watching TV or reading a book, while I cleaned/tidied/ironed while cooking dinner, and that I caught up with paperwork at the weekend while he got up late and then expected me to make him breakfast.

I know, I know: I've been my own worst enemy, letting him get away with doing nothing all these years. But he gets verbally aggressive, so I have always been the one to back down and apologise and over the years have learned to just get on with doing it all. I've gone for an easy life, rather than confronting him so he's used to getting his own way all the time.

How do I gradually ease him into taking his share of the responsibilities? I've tried sitting down and discussing it with him - his answer is that he is stressed at work and needs downtime, that the jobs don't take long anyway, that I am making a fuss over nothing. I get verbally battered every time I dare to mention or ask that he helps me.

I can't live like this. I gave the first part of my adult life to my children, but I feel that I am still mothering him, and it will continue until the day I die.

Has anyone else had the same problem and have any suggestions on how to nudge him into doing more - even just taking on his own responsibilities like sorting his car insurance/remembering important dates and taking action (car mot, his families birthdays, medical appts etc), putting his clothes away after they have been washed and ironed for him- just doing these would be a major improvement - all these things take chunks of my time, and I'm fed up with every responsibility falling on me.

As a brief example: his car insurance is due for renewal in a week's time. I mentioned it to him, and his response was - nothing. He just expects it to be done for him. He won't ask if it's done a day or so before, he won't go online and check for a good price - and if I ask him to, his response will be an irritated "well you can do it, you have nothing else to do, I'm at work all day, you're sitting at home" etc. If I don't do it, he will be uninsured. It's not something that I can just leave.

I'm trying to avoid the verbal abuse I will receive if I ask or vaguely even suggest he does things, and I know he has me on a giant guilt trip ("it's okay for you, you never worked, you don't work, I've had to go out to work every day, you haven't had a stressful day, you have more time than me" etc).

We're both in our late 50's and I want to do something for me for a change, and feel that I have been something other than a just a housewife/stay at home mum. I'm capable of more, and I only have a few years left in which to achieve it (I'm talking about retirement here, not death wink )

Sorry for the long rant!!

maryeliza54 Mon 02-Oct-17 10:55:48

1.Get a pice of paper.
2. Make three columns
3. Column one lists every single job that needs doing.
4.Next two columns headed You and DH.
5.Divide up jobs as fairly as possible.
6. Present piece of paper to DH
7. Give him 24 hours to suggest amendments ( with reasons)
8.Once list is finalised, tell him that you will now only be doing the jobs in you list
9. Stick to that

or just forget all that and start planning your escape. At least you have access to the money.

pensionpat Mon 02-Oct-17 10:56:06

Change can be very difficult and must be managed. It won't be easy. First he must accept that you need to make a plan together. A marriage is a contract. We fall into roles without too much thought. Now there us a change in your circumstances- children grown up, retirement nearer you need to negotiate roles and responsibilities, based on the person with the time/skills. You could suggest that with you working, maybe he could drop some of his working hours! Also, perhaps he needs to experience the consequences of you not doing everything. e.g. Renewal of insurance. Good luck.

vampirequeen Mon 02-Oct-17 11:18:20

He verbally abuses you and has done so for decades. That damages you just as much as physical abuse. You admit that you do things to keep the peace because of this abuse. If you try to change things you have to be prepared for and ignore the verbal backlash. He has had an easy life and doesn't see why it should change.

Eglantine21 Mon 02-Oct-17 11:22:26

I have to ask why you are staying with this unpleasant, inconsiderate man?

paddyann Mon 02-Oct-17 11:29:11

are you being fair? If he's worked his socks off for all those years to provide for the family while you stayed home ...until your youngest LEFT home,I think you've been very lucky.Most of us had to go back to work AND manage a home and children outside working hours.If you dont want to do the housework anymore get a cleaner,send your laundry out to be done ...if he's been keeping you and 3 kids he'll be able to afford that..or you will on your new wages .

NanaandGrampy Mon 02-Oct-17 11:50:40

I'm horrified by your tale. I don't think you've been lucky at all...I think you have become the housekeeper/mother to all 4 !!

And you're right - you did allow this to become the norm. BUT I do get that , whilst you stayed at home it became your job and I think that's fair. BUT now you work too its not.

I would talk to him calmly and explain that things are going to change if you are going to work ( if he doesn't want change then you can stay at home. It will be much easier now you have no children at home smile).

I love the list idea too.

In response to the car insurance example I would tell him he has to do it and leave it at that. Don't follow up, don't nag.... its his car, his responsibility . if he gets caught driving without insurance he has no one to blame but himself. You're treating him like a child , and it sounds like he behaves like one - there are consequences and its time he learnt actions reap their own rewards .

Good Luck

aggie Mon 02-Oct-17 11:52:16

I went back to work at 50 OH had evening meal ready and kids still at home had homework done , he then went out socialisng , I cleaned washed etc , but only the bare essentials , he discovered how to iron and where the vacuum was , guess I was lucky . Stay at home or work but get a cleaner , and a secretary ? He wont change after all this timr

loopyloo Mon 02-Oct-17 12:07:09

I agree with Eglantine. He sounds like a bully. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Think about escaping.

Ilovecheese Mon 02-Oct-17 12:12:45

You may not be able to change him but I wonder if you could change yourself to become more assertive.
Look up assertiveness training for yourself.
Then you will not let him bully you.
You could tell him:
I am going to get another job.
When I am working I will employ a cleaner. (if he realises this will mean less money coming in he may decide to do some cleaning himself.)
When I get home from work I will cook a meal for both of us one one day, the next day I will just cook for myself. (he can either cook his own meal or decide to make one for both of you)
If I am not going to use the car I will not renew the insurance etc.
I will iron your clothes if you do the washing for both of us.
If you are no longer afraid of his bullying you will be able to make these sorts of statements with confidence, and mean them.
And remember, it is perfectly possible to survive on your own, much better than he could.

Primrose65 Mon 02-Oct-17 12:34:04

You've managed to return to work Sharon123 after a long break caring for children - you've done the hard part already! I'm sure it's quite a readjustment.
After 30 years of organising the home for your family, I'd suggest you start organising it for yourself.
Buy a coffee maker with a timer on it and set it up to have a brew ready and waiting for you when you get home.
Spend your earnings on yourself, openly. After all, if the trade-off has been his salary for your housekeeping services and nothing has changed, then nothing has changed. Have a manicure, new haircut, new outfit, night out with the girls.
It will help your OH realise that this is a new phase now, the children have gone, life is different and the 'rules' have changed.
It can be a challenge to put yourself first after so many years of taking a back seat to everyone's needs. Try it - you might enjoy it.

suzied Mon 02-Oct-17 12:35:25

Agree with the above. If you are working get a cleaner, preferably one that will do the ironing. If he doesn't put his clothes away leave them out. If he doesn't renew his insurance leave it. Just say you haven't got time. Ditto sending presents/ cards to his family. Do the list thing. Sounds good. Go away for a few days to visit one of your family/ friends or just a break for yourself - how would he cope? Bottom line -plan to leave him

Iam64 Mon 02-Oct-17 13:01:31

It doesn't sound to me that the OP has had an 'easy life' staying at home whilst her husband worked and 'kept' the family.
It does sound as though she's being taken for granted and living a life many of us would have bailed out of some time ago. Where is the partnership, the companionship, warmth and affection? He's unlikely to change after living his life this way for so long. It's up to you whether you accept this, or make changes. You may end up confirming that in fact you're living separate lives under the same roof and decide that isn't good enough for you. Best of luck. Yes, as advised it's worth reading about assertiveness.

Luckygirl Mon 02-Oct-17 13:38:44

There is something fundamentally not right in this relationship, and it relates to his bullying, rather than specifically the division of jobs. If he were not a bully, there would be a way of discussing it reasonably. So......your problem is basically living with a bully.

Might I suggest that you book yourself an extended holiday somewhere warm and leave him to his own devices for a while. Use the time to think about whether you really want to devote the rest of your life to this man. And he will use the time to having to be a grown adult and look after himeself. If he has not learned the knack by the time you get back, then you will have some big decisions to make.

By there way there is no "just" in being a good mother - it is a skilled occupation and one of the most important jobs anyone can do.

jollyg Mon 02-Oct-17 14:30:32

He is one of these 3 letter things, a MAN.

Perhaps that what his Dad did/Mum too.

At least it is only verbal abuse, and not fisticuffs.

Escape for a holiday and hope for the best, and save money for an escape.

All the best

lemongrove Mon 02-Oct-17 14:56:10

Sharon123 he will not change.So, bearing that in mind, do you really want to go out to work?
I would stay at home if I were you which gives you time to do all the things that need doing, and go out and meet your friends whenever possible, join clubs etc and enjoy your life.
If he wants you to work, say firmly that only if the jobs around the house are shared out and then stuck to.

Eloethan Mon 02-Oct-17 15:52:40

It seems your confidence has been badly knocked - hardly surprising since your husband appears not to appreciate how fortunate he has been in having your invaluable support in doing virtually everything to do with the home and family.

I'm not quite sure what you would ultimately be prepared to do to resolve this situation. If, as someone suggested, you present your husband with a list of jobs, with them allocated more fairly, and he agrees to this, then possibly that might be OK for you. But, from what you say, this is unlikely to happen as he appears to completely ignore your protestations - and I am concerned that you appear to be frightened of him.

You may decide that enough is enough and that remaining married to such a bullying, unappreciative and inconsiderate person is really not worth the sense of helplessness and unhappiness you are feeling. Having been married for a considerable amount of time, most of which has been devoted to bringing up a family (which has affected your own career and economic position), I think the law would look very generously on your contribution to the marriage when assessing the financial position. I think the law would see constant verbal abuse and an unwillingness to take any account of another person's wellbeing as emotional abuse, which is, I believe, now taken as seriously as physical abuse.

It appears that you are more than capable of managing your life effectively. You were able to get yourself a job, even after spending such a long time out of paid employment, so you are obviously a person who has the drive and ability to strike out on your own.

I wish you well in whatever you decide - good luck.

phoenix Mon 02-Oct-17 21:45:11

paddyann shock

paddyann Mon 02-Oct-17 23:41:46

pheonix What woman wants to be kept nowadays ? Everyone I know went back to work when their children went to nursery ..I went back when my daughter was 8 days old ....I was self employed so no choice.Theres no way I would have expected my husband to keep us all while I sat on my backside.Keeping house can be done in a couple of hours and you've the rest of the day when the kids are at school .Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves .30 years not working and she thinks she's hard done by???

Eloethan Tue 03-Oct-17 00:33:47

paddyann I think your comments are cruel and unfair.

I also went out to work - though I'll admit when my daughter was 2 years old, not 8 days old. Perhaps you had no option but I hardly think it is an ideal situation for the a child to be placed in a nursery at so young an age.

Looking after three children and doing absolutely everything connected to home and family is not "sitting on your backside". I think going out to work but doing nothing else whatsoever in the home is far easier than the neverending - and often thankless - job of maintaining a home and looking after a family.

jenwren Tue 03-Oct-17 10:06:08

I would plan your escape as I was in your situation and instead of me doing it all his sister as taken on the role. As he said to me 'I dont need a woman only my sister' glad to say I am in a far happier place with a lovely life. He wont change because he doesnt see it from your point of view.

Bilboben Tue 03-Oct-17 10:06:34

Many years have taught me to ask a crucial question in any relationship. What positive contributions is this person bringing to the quality of my life? It would seem in this case very little. Why stay you have 20-30 more years of life. Use them wisely and enjoy them with someone who will share that enjoyment with you

Lilyflower Tue 03-Oct-17 10:11:45

I can't believe the comments supporting this man's bullying!

radicalnan Tue 03-Oct-17 10:12:50

Get a part time job, there are just the two of you at home that will give you plenty of time to manage housekeeping, which I guess you like as you have done it for 30 years.

Most women have to work and manage the house stuff and cars only need insuring once a year, you will be able to manage.

Coconut Tue 03-Oct-17 10:14:28

Being a mother to 3 children is a full time job, not paid employment but nevertheless very hard work 24/7 and you wear many different "hats" to successfully achieve this. I was also fortunate enough to do this myself (my ex worked shifts) and I am so glad that I didn't miss a minute of their childhood. The question is, do you still love him ? Watch Shirley Valentine, another lady not being valued, and being taken for granted and she went off to Greece. Her husband was speechless but did go and find her. So I feel you need to do something drastic and get a reaction from him, that's if you want one of course ?? He so demeans you and takes you for granted and speaking from experience, verbal abuse can be more damaging than physical abuse in many ways, no one can see the bruises. Be brave and live YOUR life the way you want to live it, even if that means alone, he does not deserve you if he shows you such little respect.