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Strange little characters corners along the road of estrangement!

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Stella14 Wed 07-Feb-18 18:43:59

My adult, married, son cut me off - 10-years-ago in August. It was a terrible shock (although I could eventually acknowledge that it had been on the cards for a few years before that). I was devastated and struggled emotionally for several years. Christmas days and mother’s days invariably led to me going to bed depressed in the afternoon. As the years passed, I moved through despair and I became angry with him. We were very close when he was a child. I was careful to ensure that childhood was gentle and full of nice things like painting big pictures, baking, walking dogs, feeding ducks raising kittens etc (you get the picture). I never smacked the children and their Father did so only once (I wasn’t there and was appalled when I found out).

Although it still hurt, I could push through, muttering “little shit”! In the last few years, the hurt is still there, but buried more deeply and, although I would happily never see another Christmas tree, I am no longer a basket case on Christmas days and mother’s day. Instead, I can enjoy time with my husband (not his father, I divorced him and that was the apparent catalist for me being CO).

My eldest daughter has 3 children and we all have lovely relationships. My youngest has now just had her first. She lives a long distance from us, so we will see her, her lovely husband and baby for visits 3/4 times a year, hopefully a little more often when the time comes that they have a spare bedroom. Anyway, I have been surprised to find that simply the arrival of this baby feels like another emotional corner turned.

I wonder do other CO Gransnetters recognise emotional corners you have turned in our common journey.

celebgran Mon 19-Feb-18 23:30:30

Oh Cornish Sue sorry I got it wrong was it only short while ago you lost your mum?

Of course it isn't I sensitve it will be hard first one without her ??

We booked go out for lunch,

I have been Very tearful our son rang spoke his dad for his birthday, poor chap staying in London. For meeeting tomorrow then away wed Afghanistan again and I had quick word, he is Adamant his sister can't come to his wedding?I didn't realise how upset I would be.

I think your plans sound lovely ref chocolate flowers for your daughter Instead,

I do wonder if my xxx ever gives me thought when getting card gift for her m i law ???

cornishsue1 Mon 19-Feb-18 23:14:00

It'll be my first Mother's Day without my mum, so not looking forward to it. With foster children it can be difficult anyway - one of our current foster children will miss her mum dreadfully and the other has never known a mum so will wonder what the fuss is about!

I was trying to think of a way to make it positive and have decided the flowers/chocolates I would have bought for my mum I will get for my daughter instead. My daughter and son in law were so supportive when my mum died, and actually reached the hospital before we did. My mum and daughter were so very close, and so I know she would like her to have the flowers.

Celebgran and others - I hope my post isn't too insensitive, I know how you would give everything you have to be able to give your daughter flowers and to be together again. I hope one day that is possible for you. I will be thinking of you on the day.

celebgran Mon 19-Feb-18 20:18:42

True! But sometimes it's hard and we only human get upset sometimes

Happy say walnut cake was yummy for mr c and shortly dishing up salmon In prawns hollandaise sauce new potatoes and salad !

He got some lovely cards and messages bless him

123flump Mon 19-Feb-18 20:11:57

celebgran yes we can only focus on the joy or we would all go mad.

celebgran Mon 19-Feb-18 19:51:11

Agree sadness in our lives but we have focus on the joy to. Balance it out ?

celebgran Mon 19-Feb-18 19:48:49

123flump?I know dad never got to see any of his grandkids my mum had 7 but xxx was only 3 when she died and do was 6 but he remembers her!

I often tear. For big hug from her over ed and wonder what she would have said, I saw a medium once who gave me me message from my f i law and dear mum, who said I have cope with a lot so what makes me think I can't cope with this ?

I often wonder about going again (see medium) but found it rather spooky.

123flump Mon 19-Feb-18 19:33:48

I always think of my mum on Mother's Day, she would have loved my grandchildren, the cheeky one, the smart alec one, the serious one, the one who loves chocolate as much as she did and the new baby just cause she's gorgeous. She never got to see any of them, my dad never saw my children as he died when I was a child. Lots of sadness but lots of joy to balance it out.

celebgran Mon 19-Feb-18 18:56:24

It's very hard to say because even after 9 years I dread Mother's Day, birthdays hers especially not so much Xmas as our son and his fiancé make huge efforts for us.

I tend to think I will always get upset on Mother's Day however hard I try not to thinking of past ones and how loving xxx could be.

celebgran Mon 19-Feb-18 18:54:12

Thanks 123 it's true shencant change the facts just wish with all my heart she would want us back in her life x

123flump Mon 19-Feb-18 18:52:59

celebgran you are still her mother, she can stick her fingers in her ears and go lalalalala but you can't change the facts.

celebgran Mon 19-Feb-18 18:42:53

Sadly 123flump I was mum for 28 years to my daughter then discarded so it was t for life ???

Our son who was always high achiever and travelling the world still is, off Afghanistan wed?Has proved to be the constant presence my rock I could never ever have dreamt it would turn out that way!

None of us know what lies ahead,

celebgran Mon 19-Feb-18 18:39:34

123flump it is difficult my estranged daughter and I were so close, she even said once we were too close?
I told her everything and vice Versa,
This did me no favours when we applied for contact via courts she hit back with personal stuff I had told her in confidence and it still hurts me more than I can say she could do that to me,
An old friend the one who adopted 3 boys then had one of her own said your daughter is your daughter not your best friend. I suppose I had hoped we were both,

I must admit I never partied with her apart from her hen night she always went out with her peers.

Tend to agree with smilless not sure we should be best friends with our kids guess it's more tempting with daughters though,

Yogagirl Mon 19-Feb-18 12:04:27

So true Smileless

Flump you are right, a mother/father has to be careful not to let the boundaries merge too much. But I do remember going out for the evening with my two wonderful, beautiful daughters, to celebrate NYE. We went to our local town and had such a good time together, such a laugh! I have a photo of this evening on my mantle piece, us three girls together, happy and laughing, we danced the night away, into the new year, till early morning!
Don't let on to my ND I told you this, but I wheeled her back home in an 'Icelands' shopping trolley, it was hilarious, everyone was walking home with us, finding it as funny as we did smile sad

Smileless2012 Mon 19-Feb-18 11:42:07

flumpsmile

123flump Mon 19-Feb-18 11:34:47

Smileless that is sad. At least with mine I know they all have a really good best friend who is always there for them and vice versa. It is a comforting thought because we can't always be even if we want to and they want us.

Smileless2012 Mon 19-Feb-18 11:14:31

flump if only that were the case for mesad. ES has no more loyalty to his mum than his friends; perhaps even less.

123flump Mon 19-Feb-18 10:46:10

Smileless oh I think we should be friends. I just think a best friend fills a certain space and a mum fills another, if I had to choose I would always choose to be the mum, you might change best friends over a lifetime but mum is always mum.

My daughter's best friend is lovely and if DD is having a bad time we both support her in our own ways. Double blessing.

Smileless2012 Mon 19-Feb-18 10:08:50

Oh I don't know flump I don't think a mother should aspire to being her child's BF but when your children become adults it's nice to be counted as one of their friends as well as their mother.

I think it's all too easy for misunderstandings to happen from time to time Yogagirl. You and I know have 'known' each other for more than 5 years because of GN. I know your history inside out as you know mine.

Sometimes we forget that others don't know the full story so what we post can be misconstrued.

123flump Mon 19-Feb-18 09:25:16

Starlady I think you make some very good points. I know with my husband and his mother her inability to accept he was an adult, even in his 50s, was the problem. I think it is maybe harder with an only child, as he was, or a small family. I know when my older two were hitting teens I was busy with two younger ones so didn't try to keep the older ones tied to me, again when the younger two were at that age I was busy helping with grandchildren. I honestly think it was helpful as I have seen friends with one or two children who wanted to be the "best friend" when that isn't what a mum is meant to be in my opinion.

Isn't there a saying about letting them go if you want to stay close, I know there was a song, "If you love them set them free."

Yogagirl Mon 19-Feb-18 08:51:54

No, no trick Starlady I was being understanding with her, my GD is her GD by marriage only, both children are my blood GC.

Thanks for that starlady I tried very hard to explain to cornishsue, that I am talking about my GD's stepfamily only, not about anyone else, not about adoption or fostering. It caused so much trouble on the estrangement page sad

cornishsue1 Sun 18-Feb-18 20:51:25

Ok, now I see where the other argument between Yoga and Sue came from on the other thread. But Yogoa Sue didn't say this thread or the other was about adoption. She just said it hurt her when you spoke of gd's stepdad and stepgm as "not her real family." Because if blood is all that makes one "real family," then that would apply to adoptive as well as step family. At least that's how it seems

Starlady you are 100% accurate in what I was trying to say and 100% accurate in what my motive was in writing it. Thank you. I've always been a bit of a rambler, why use one sentence when I can use dozen sentences instead (LOL) - I admire your talent in summing things up so succinctly!!

Starlady Sun 18-Feb-18 20:02:08

Ok, now I see where the other argument between Yoga and Sue came from on the other thread. But Yogoa Sue didn't say this thread or the other was about adoption. She just said it hurt her when you spoke of gd's stepdad and stepgm as "not her real family." Because if blood is all that makes one "real family," then that would apply to adoptive as well as step family. At least that's how it seems.

But I think you explained yourself very well, as only speaking of gd's stepfamily, not all and not adopted families. So I hope that's all settled and that you both feel better about it. And I hope no one leaves GN unless they feel they need a little breather from talking about estrangement and such.

Starlady Sun 18-Feb-18 19:53:42

Jenpax, I'm sorry about your difficulties with your mum. Part of the problem may have been an inability to accept that you were becoming an adult and you're own person, not just some reflection of what she thought you "should" be or someone she could still mold her way. I can see the break was painful for you (and probably for her). But, obviously, it helped. Maybe it gave her time to think over her behavior. Maybe it changed her view of you. Whatever, glad your relationship was better, afterwards.

Sometimes, I think a break is good for both people in the relationship, even if it is hurtful at times. But how does one know if it's just a break or if they've been co for good?

Starlady Sun 18-Feb-18 19:47:31

"Also Flumb when my D's m.i.l said those words Ooh our first GC she looked at me and said oh, you now what I mean D and I replied that I did."

Yoga, could this have been a trick to get you to "admit" to favoring gd? I know you don't, but perhaps dil's mum used it to make it look like you did? She could have run to sil and said something like, "See? I pretended that I see gs as my only gc and Yoga admitted that she felt the same way vice versa!"

Yogagirl Sun 18-Feb-18 08:10:09

Stella thank you very much for defending me xx
Joannab did wright a terrible post against me, but then defended me on another thread, which I thanked her for.

Joannab when I write estD that means estranged daughter, I've never called my D or S a bad name, I love them, but I don't love what they have done, without reason. As I've already said, I call my ND, [nice daughter], nice, because she is and it helps to differentiate between my 2 daughters. I call my s.i.l & his mother nasty because they are and I will only reconcile with my D,S & GC, when my estD is no longer with him and his family.
I did not call him nasty before he told my to "F* OFF", in fact it was months after, before this I thought we got on ok, and I always bigged him up on everything, including being a good dad to my GD. I leant his true colours afterwards.